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.org forums instead of mailing list?
Anyone for the best of both worlds? The mailing list and a newsgroup
can be bridged together. Many lists/groups do this now.
With this setup all newsgroup posts are sent to the mailing list, and
all mailing list posts are sent to the newsgroup. The great thing
about this is once the newsgroup is picked up by a bunch of news
servers, (like Google groups) the posts will be available ad
infinitum.
I support this 100%. Mailing list good. Newsgroup good but different.
Forum bad.
Is it easy to do with mailman? Dunno. Brett?
-Marc
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-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Tyler P.
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 7:56 PM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: .org forums instead of mailing list?
The point I'm making is not that I can't delete OT threads and see
covered up posts. Its that when I make a post I'm worried other people
won't see my post.
BTW: this list is still far better than most web forums anyway and I
certainly appreciate the fine people running it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Ewing [mailto:MK1Scirocco16v@attbi.com]
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:49 PM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: .org forums instead of mailing list?
I feel similar to Tyler on this except a few choice points. Kudos to
Tyler though!!
> Good thing about email lists is that it does have a better community
> feel.
One of the biggest reasons why I wouldn't want to go to forums!!
> Also you don't get so many people telling you to go check archives
or
> whatever. Some forums I'm in have idiots tell people to go check
the
> archive every time to the point that the only right question to ask
is
> one that is totally unique...
This is true, but we still have people here that don't want to spend
the time to go over something with newer people and refer them to the
forum BUT it is usually on a topic that has been hashed, rehashed and
then hashed again!
> Bad things are that it allows topics to go on far too long and
topics
almost
> always go way off topic on this list, thread hijacking is another
> problem
in
> my opinion.
I agree here to a point. Usually if a post goes on and on it is
between a smaller group, ie Cincy or a topic that has a lot of
different angles. I have noticed that the list has gotten better (in
general) about renaming the thread if it goes off topic.
>Also, a good post is often quickly covered up by some stupid thread
>that 2 or 3 people are exclusively adding life to. This really
pisses
>me off when it's a political debate that's flooding the list making
it
>hard for people to notice a legit post.
Again, these are usually labeled as such and are easily deletable (is
that a
word??)
> Good things about actual forums: items are very well categorized and
> if a post does go off topic it stays off topic at the bottom of the
> pile so
only
> those who care about it have to see it. Newer posts are always at
the
top.
> This also results in to-the-point answers and most threads last 2 to
3
posts
> and that's it.
Most of the forums I have visited go off topic rather easily and if
someone doesn't agree with someone else the name calling starts. I
realize that if the administrator does their job that this would be
fixed pretty easily but usually it's just passed over as (I guess)
this creates a ton of work for the administrator. To have 400+ (or
whatever it is these days) people on a forum and have one or two
people policing it seems like it would be a huge job. But then again,
we would probably loose quite a few people as I believe that the
reason why the list is as popular as it is is because of the way it is
set up now.
> Bad things about forums: it seems that most these days forums are
> being
done
> over http with slow html code... slow slow slow... arg... Don't
people
know
> that a protocol was made for forums??? its call NNTP. Its not hard
at
> all to create a news server. I even offered to do it for the list 2
> years
ago.
> This is fast and easy and nice. But the reality is that everybody
> ignores specific protocols today and uses http for everything and
> therefore I hate web forums, which is what the scirocco list would
> probably end up being if it went that route. Not only this but http
> forums take away some of the benefits of forums (for instance,
> Delphiforums move the topic to the top
of
> the list every time a post is made making it so OT posts quickly
move
> quieter posts out of site). Also, forums are generally filled with
> administrator who enjoy abusing power and like to lock or delete
> threads
at
> their will. I like how the scirocco list allows people to post
> whatever they want. Sure they may get banned from the list but at
> least their message can't be censored once its sent.
>
> I guess if I had my way I would opt for an NNTP based Scirocco
list...
> but the email list is far better than an html based newsgroup and I
> don't find it too hard to get through the off topic crap that the 3
to
> 4
participating
> members call "community spirit" :o)
Usually, Tyler, the of topic posts that create "community spirit" are
such labeled. There are occasions that a topic goes off topic but
usually you see that it has done so and know to delete it. For the
most part, as far as I'm concerned, there doesn't seem to be enough
emails on this list daily for this to be a big deal. Again, this is
my opinion as I realize some of you are getting alot of other emails
from other sources. I usually get about 5 to 10 personal emails a day
on top of the list and it doesn't overwhelm me in the least.
Dave
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