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WAS: Turbo vs. Supercharger NOW: VNT Turbos
LOL!
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: Neal Tovsen
To: scirocco81@vwmail.net ; L F ; dale witt ; Scirocco List
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: WAS: Turbo vs. Supercharger NOW: VNT Turbos
Goddam! You think they know what a paragraph break is?
Neal
--- Eric S <scirocco81@vwmail.net> wrote:
> Ahh...hit the send button too soon, here is a great
> little essay on these turbos with a pretty damn fine
> explaination of how the turbo controls boost.
>
>
http://essay.studyarea.com/essay/Physic_Chemistry_Space/11.shtml
>
> --
> Eric
> www.VintageWatercooleds.com
>
> 79 VW Iltis
> 81 Scirocco S (*TDI* swap and complete restoration
> in holding pattern)
> 81 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel (FOR SALE!)
> 81 Rabbit Truck 2.0 16v Motronic
> 83 Scirocco Wolfsburg
> 91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow 8v swap and mechanical
> rebuild in progress)
>
>
> --- message from "L F" <rocco16v@netzero.net>
attached:
> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> From: "L F" <rocco16v@netzero.net>
> To: <scirocco81@vwmail.net>, "dale witt"
> <dwitt1@satx.rr.com>,
> "Neal Tovsen" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>,
> "Scirocco List" <Scirocco-l@Scirocco.org>
> Subject: Re: Turbo vs. Supercharger.
> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:49:02 -0700
>
> Eric-
> Gear that supercharger up (to compensate for
> altitude) and you gotcher horsies back.
> Turbos don't experience boost loss at altitude
> because they're always trying to make all the boost
> they can and you have to rein 'em in with the waste
> gate, which is pressure-controlled. Thought you
> knew that....
> (and, believe this, turbo power is not free power.
> NOTHING is free...)
> Not saying turbosuperchargers don't work...they work
> just fine.
> Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric S
> To: dale witt ; Neal Tovsen ; Scirocco List
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Turbo vs. Supercharger.
>
>
> Since this topic has come up again....I'll make
> the same point I always do.
>
> Since I am a "high lander" at 5200 ft high here in
> Denver, and regularly go to the mountains, I would
> NEVER install a supercharger on any of my dubs.
> With its static spin rate it has NO way to
> compensate for the thinner air up here and boosts
> much less at altitude.
>
> A turbo, with its freewheeling/free power nature
> will actually spin faster at altitude to make the
> same boost and does an effective job at almost
> completely overcoming altitude loss, where NA and
> supered cars cannot.
>
> Many of you were impressed by Marc Gettys
> (spelling?) C230 Kompressor at Cincy this
> year...I'll tell you this, those things are absolute
> DOGS up here...I know, I test drove one and was
> throughly dissapointed...
>
> --
> Eric
> www.VintageWatercooleds.com
>
> 79 VW Iltis
> 81 Scirocco S (*TDI* swap and complete restoration
> in holding pattern)
> 81 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel (FOR SALE!)
> 81 Rabbit Truck 2.0 16v Motronic
> 83 Scirocco Wolfsburg
> 91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow 8v swap and mechanical
> rebuild in progress)
>
>
> --- "dale witt" <dwitt1@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> >I was speaking of our dubs in general and VWs
> attitude on the subject
> >of the supercharger. They could have used the
> quality of an Eaton or
> >Lysholm (they do have deep pockets), but instead
> they seemed to say
> >"Oh well, not too good" and they just dumped the
> G60 like a bad idea.
> >I have several friends that tried to stay loyal
> to the G60, but have since
> >gone the turbo route, or just gave up on the
> Corrado completely. I had
> >every intention to make the Supercharger my next
> upgrade to my 86, now
> >I am pretty much convinced to do the Turbo. I
> guess there have been
> >too many cases of VWs with superchargers going
> south.
> >
> >Dale Witt
> >03 GTI 20AE
> >86.5 2.0 16v Scirocco
> >82 2.1 16v Zender Wide Body Scirocco
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Neal Tovsen" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
> >To: "dale witt" <dwitt1@satx.rr.com>; "Scirocco
> List"
> ><Scirocco-l@Scirocco.org>
> >Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:34 PM
> >Subject: Re: Turbo vs. Supercharger.
> >
> >
> >> ? For the average driver, I believe the
> >> > supercharger is just too
> >> > high maintenance.
> >>
> >> I think the ***G60*** was too much maintenance
> for the
> >> average person. But that is in no way an
> indication of
> >> supercharger maintenance in general. The G60
> design
> >> was unique and never perfected. The technology
> didn't
> >> exist, and nobody invested in it.
> >>
> >> Eaton or Lysholm units requre no more
> maintenance than
> >> a turbo. Some claim they require less. There's
> an
> >> Eaton-charged Rabbit on Vortex that claims to
> have put
> >> 150k on his SC after he pulled it from a
> junkyard!
> >>
> >> Neal
> >>
> >> --- dale witt <dwitt1@satx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> > What do you suppose was the thinking at VW,
> as they
> >> > never really made a big
> >> > hit with the G60 and pretty much let it take
> a back
> >> > seat to the VR and now
> >> > the turbo. For the average driver, I believe
> the
> >> > supercharger is just too
> >> > high maintenance.
> >> >
> >> > Dale Witt
> >> > 03 GTI 20AE
> >> > 86.5 2.0 16v Scirocco
> >> > 82 2.1 16v Zender wide body Scirocco
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "L F" <rocco16v@netzero.net>
> >> > To: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>; "Mike
> Smith"
> >> > <smithma7@yahoo.com>;
> >> > "car" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:14 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Turbo vs. Supercharger.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > A million opinions!
> >> > Superchargers tend to be less efficient
> >> > particularly at higher pressure
> >> > ratios. So, they aren't as good at making
> really
> >> > high power.
> >> >
> >> > YOU'D BETTER TELL THAT TO JOHN FORCE, HE
> COULD USE
> >> > SOME ADVICE ABOUT NOW.
> >> >
> >> > OTOH a big really high power laggy turbo is
> the
> >> > last thing you need for an
> >> > autocross car. Superchargers, particularly
> >> > positive displacement types,
> >> > have
> >> > fast response.
> >> > The primary issue then is quick response
> vs. power
> >> > producing capability.
> >> > There are a million secondary issues!
> >> > just my .02
> >> > Dan
> >> >
> >> > AS FOR THE REST, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE
> WITH DAN.
> >> > HAVE FUN!
> >> > LARRY
> >> >
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