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battery relocation question



Considering that my 4/0 aluminum wire conducts way better and was less than $1.50 per foot, I'm not impressed.  Still have an extra 20' length of it left if anyone wants it.  Will also throw in 5' of 2/0 wire for grounds.

BH

--- "Rick Kellner" <rfkellner@snet.net> wrote:
>Vince,
>	I also have some 1/0 copper but it is only 13' long.  I will
>have to run it inside and as direct as possible.  I plan on exiting
>through the hole that the O2 odometer uses.
>I just happened to see the set up from Accel and thought that I would
>share it.
>Rick K.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vince Royer [mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:15 AM
>To: Rick Kellner; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: RE: battery relocation question
>
>Wow! that's perfect and it's a good deal!
>
>I ran 1/0 and it's a little big to handle. But there's a pretty clean
>path
>from the hatch up the drivers side into a grometted hole.  That stuff
>looks
>cool and is the perfect gauge for the job, and at $2.50 a foot its a
>steal.
>get it!
>
>Vince
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
>> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Rick Kellner
>> Sent: February 26, 2003 3:21 PM
>> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> Subject: RE: battery relocation question
>>
>>
>> Has anyone used this 'kit' from Accel?  It is 20' of 2GA wire for $50
>> ($2.50/ft).
>>
>> http://www.carshopinc.com/product/details/ACL-2842.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
>> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Haygood
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:20 PM
>> To: Jason Adams; Drew Teague; haygood@aemail4u.com;
>> rocco_crossing@hotmail.com; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> Subject: Re: battery relocation question
>>
>> So I'm sure it's not what you meant by "no matter how", but lowering
>the
>> C.G. or changing the weight distribution by adding weight is NEVER a
>> good thing.  Only mention it because I went ten rounds with some
>> "engineers" in school about this.  Finally won the arguement on the
>> skidpad.
>>
>> So yeah, lower is better, and further back is better.  Which one wins
>is
>> a good question.  Only reason I didn't use the spare tire well was
>> because I keep a spare tire there.  Seemed like a good reason at the
>> time. :)
>>
>> I'm a big fan of balancing weight distribution front-to-rear.  Maybe
>too
>> much of one, but we may never know.  I kinda figure that compared to
>> real sports cars, our cars are really far off on front/rear W.D, and
>not
>> so bad on C.G. height.  Just an opinion really.  Within the year I
>plan
>> to recess my battery into the trunk floor at the rear of the trunk, so
>> I'll have both accomplished before too long.
>>
>> BH
>>
>> --- "Jason Adams" <roclist@accessconsulting.ca> wrote:
>> >I would expect that lowering the c.g. of the car is good no matter
>how
>> it's
>> >done, that being said the lower the battery, the better...
>> >
>> >
>> >Jason Adams
>> >Fahrvergnugen Forever! ;)
>> >84 rocco 16v
>> >93 320i
>> >98 Z71
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Drew Teague" <roccnroll@hotmail.com>
>> >To: <haygood@aemail4u.com>; <roclist@accessconsulting.ca>;
>> ><rocco_crossing@hotmail.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> >Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:57 AM
>> >Subject: Re: battery relocation question
>> >
>> >
>> >> Just a quick question after reading this:  Would handling be better
>> with
>> >the
>> >> weight closer to the ground (i.e. spare tire well) or farther back
>to
>> >> distribute the weight a bit more evenly?  Not having had much
>> experience
>> >> with all this, I would imagine getting it closer to the ground
>would
>> >reduce
>> >> roll a bit, which I would think would be optimal.
>> >>
>> >> ...My $.02
>> >>
>> >> Drew
>> >>
>> >> **Drew Teague**
>> >> Harrisburg, PA
>> >>
>> >> `84 8v Rocco --  "Bruise"
>> >> `85 BMW 318
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >From: Haygood <haygood@aemail4u.com>
>> >> >Reply-To: haygood@aemail4u.com
>> >> >To: "Jason Adams" <roclist@accessconsulting.ca>,"Rhett Farnum"
>> >> ><rocco_crossing@hotmail.com>, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> >> >Subject: Re: battery relocation question
>> >> >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:22:26 -0800 (PST)
>> >> >
>> >> >Deep cycle means you can discharge it more without killing it.
>They
>> are
>> >> >used for things like trolling motors on boats that do a lot of
>work
>> >between
>> >> >charges.  You don't need that.  You want gell cell.
>> >> >
>> >> >As for mounting position, don't just worry about countering your
>> weight.
>> >> >These cars have over 60% of there weight on the front end.
>Counter
>> that!
>> >> >Put the batt as far back as you can get it.  The whole "centered
>> over the
>> >> >rear axle" thing is a mystery to me as well.  Sounds nice, but
>from
>> an
>> >> >engineering standpoint there is nothing magical about that area.
>> >> >
>> >> >The downside of placing it further back is that the further from
>the
>> CG
>> >you
>> >> >place things, the harder it is to rotate the car in a turn.  If,
>for
>> >> >example, your car's weight distribution starts out at 65% front
>and
>> 35%
>> >> >rear, you are 15% away from the ideal of 50/50 (which is itself
>> >debateably
>> >> >ideal, but go with it).  Basic numbers I ran a while back (so they
>> may
>> >have
>> >> >lost accuracy with time :) ), suggested that putting the batt
>behind
>> the
>> >> >rear seat would make you something like 62/37, and putting it in
>the
>> rear
>> >> >of the trunk did something like 60 or 61/whatever.  Keep in mind
>> that a
>> >> >difference of "1" there is huge because we are only "15" away from
>> the
>> >> >ideal.
>> >> >
>> >> >So there is an incentive to move it far back.
>> >> >
>> >> >As for the increased rotational inertia, that batt., when in the
>> rear of
>> >> >the trunk, is no further from the rear axle than it was from the
>> front
>> >> >axle.  The inertia gain is probably small compared to the inertia
>of
>> the
>> >> >whole car, which is dominated by the engine hanging out in front
>of
>> the
>> >> >front axle.  The increase in rotational inertia (really it's the
>> first
>> >> >moment of inertia we are talking about, to be tech-ish), would
>hurt
>> you
>> >in
>> >> >transitions, but then the improved weight distribution would help
>> you in
>> >> >transitions as well as the rest of the turns.  Prolly close either
>> way,
>> >and
>> >> >either way is better than stock, but getting the battery further
>> back
>> >than
>> >> >the rear seat is prolly a very good idea.
>> >> >
>> >> >HTH.
>> >> >
>> >> >Brian
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >From: "Rhett Farnum" <rocco_crossing@hotmail.com>
>> >> > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> >> > >Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 2:17 PM
>> >> > >Subject: Re: battery relocation question
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> So, is a dry cell the same as a deep cycle? Or are they
>> different and
>> >> >what
>> >> > >> is the best to run in our cars.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> ALSO, I am thinking of putting my bettery where the back
>> passenger
>> >seat
>> >> > >> would be inorder to counter my wieght and balance the car
>better
>> >while
>> >> > >> autoXing. What would be the best way to attach the box and
>where
>> to
>> >run
>> >> > >the
>> >> > >> vent?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Peace Out,
>> >> > >> Rhett
>> >> > >> Rocco_crossing
>> >> > >> '83 Rocco (autocross ready, 20 days till season opener)
>> >> > >> '92 Olds Cutlass Ciera (DD)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> >From: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>
>> >> > >> >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> >> > >> >Subject: Re: battery relocation question
>> >> > >> >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:35:06 -0500
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >just as a side note, this is the one Im going with.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >http://www.jshouseofeuro.com/images/stinger.jpg
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Its a Stinger brand dry cell.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >24.9 lbs / 5" H x 6-9/16" W x 6-7/8" D
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >Josh Able
>> >> > >> >www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
>> >> > >> >BrandNew Eurobumpers in stock
>> >> > >> >check out the forums!
>> >> > >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> > >> >From: "Vince Royer" <vince@performancecarstereo.com>
>> >> > >> >To: "Joe Doty" <Joe.Doty@lcnetwork.com>; "Ryan H"
>> ><rhock99@epix.net>;
>> >> > >> ><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> >> > >> >Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:21 PM
>> >> > >> >Subject: RE: battery relocation question
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > > Just a note on all this battery stuff.  Here's my take:
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > I wanted to get the weight of the battery right between
>the
>> 2
>> >> >wheels
>> >> > >and
>> >> > >> >as
>> >> > >> > > low as possible to lower the center of gravity.  In the
>> future I
>> >> >think
>> >> > >I
>> >> > >> > > will cut out the well and make my own, but I'll wait for
>the
>> >stereo
>> >> > >work
>> >> > >> >to
>> >> > >> > > start that.  For now I dropped the battery box down into
>the
>> >wheel
>> >> > >well
>> >> > >> >as
>> >> > >> > > far forward as possible and scewed it down.
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > I'm using 1/0 phoenix gold power cable, through a 350 amp
>> circuit
>> >> > >> >breaker.
>> >> > >> > > I have a distribution block up front sending 4 AWG to the
>> Starter
>> >&
>> >> >4
>> >> > >> >AWG
>> >> > >> >to
>> >> > >> > > the Alternator.  I used the battery I had, it has a vent
>> hose
>> >which
>> >> >I
>> >> > >> >routed
>> >> > >> > > out the bottom.
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > I also have another neat trick.  I recently had my car
>> stolen and
>> >> > >really
>> >> > >> > > don't want it happening again. If a theif cuts your
>battery
>> >cable,
>> >> > >alarm
>> >> > >> > > goes bye-bye.  So I ran a second 8 gauge cable from the
>> battery
>> >> > >directly
>> >> > >> > > into the main power input from the fusebox.  That way I
>was
>> able
>> >to
>> >> > >> > > eleminate the old corroded wire coming through the
>firewall.
>> >> >Suddenly
>> >> > >> >all
>> >> > >> > > my electronic devices performed better - like all the
>> >> >bulbs/wipers/fan
>> >> > >> >etc.
>> >> > >> > > I guess I freed up some electrons, but the biggest thing I
>> gained
>> >> >was
>> >> > >> >the
>> >> > >> > > security.  Now there is no way of disabling the alarm from
>> >outside
>> >> >the
>> >> > >> >car.
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Cheers!
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Vince
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >> > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
>> >> > >> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Joe
>Doty
>> >> > >> > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:29 PM
>> >> > >> > > To: Ryan H; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> >> > >> > > Subject: RE: battery relocation question
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > I used a bench vise.  Worked great!
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > Joe Doty
>> >> > >> > > IT/Development
>> >> > >> > > joe@lcnetwork.com
>> >> > >> > >
>> >> > >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >> > > > From: Ryan H [mailto:rhock99@epix.net]
>> >> > >> > > > Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 1:30 PM
>> >> > >> > > > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>> >> > >> > > > Subject: Re: battery relocation question
>> >> > >> > > >
>> >> > >> > > > All this battery talk brings about an interesting
>question
>> of
>> >> >mine:
>> >> > >I
>> >> > >> > > > bought the cheapo Summit kit, what kinda tool should I
>use
>> to
>> >> >crimp
>> >> > >> > > the
>> >> > >> > > > end connectors (battery terminal connections are
>> pre-crimped
>> >> > >already)?
>> >> > >> > > I
>> >> > >> > > > don't think my trusty wire cutter/crimper will work for
>2
>> gauge
>> >> > >wire.
>> >> > >> > > ;)
>> >> > >> > > >
>> >> > >> > > >
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