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Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?



Box, just out of curiousity, did yours ever get so bad it shut off?

> I meant the mechanical click....check the clicking of the WOT switch and
> the idle switch, also clean the contacts for those switches at the TB
> just to make sure it's all perfect.
> 
> You have to make sure the idle switch clicks when you move the butterfly
> from the idle position toward WOT.  If it doesn't, the ignition box
> can't tell if the TB is off idle and it will be in limp mode.
> 
> B
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Ryan H
> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 7:54 AM
> To: BoxOParts
> Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
> 
> It had the same symptoms though?  I did think of the idle switch once
> (maybe it was coming on at WOT and telling the knock box I'm at idle -
> no advance), but I thought this was too far-fetched.  My idle switch
> clicks when I close it, but I haven't tested it vigorously.  By "click",
> everyone means the mechanical noise that the metal contacts make, right?
> Or is it an electrical click?  (In other words, did you replace the
> little plastic electrical thing, or mechanical parts on the TB?)
> Thanks again.
>  
> > When my cis-e swap did the same thing your describing, it was a bad
> idle
> > switch on the TB.......sometimes it would just simply stick
> > closed,......or open.
> > 
> > You have to open and close the butterfly by hand and listen for the
> > little "click" if it doesn't click when the switch opens and closes,
> > each and every time.....then the switch is bad.
> > 
> > B
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Ryan H
> > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:58 PM
> > To: Brian McGarvey
> > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
> > 
> > Brian, i tested the DPR (to adjust the fuel mixture), and the readings
> > bounced around within +-2 mA.  From what I've heard, if the reading
> > sticks at 20mA, then the O2 sensor is dead, so I'm going to assume
> mine
> > works.
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: Brian McGarvey <brianm@earendel.org>
> > > Date: 2003/02/09 Sun PM 10:50:58 EST
> > > To: Ryan H <rhock99@epix.net>
> > > CC: Allyn <amalventano@sc.rr.com>,  "" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
> > > 
> > > You might have gotten extremely unlucky and got a broken o2 sensor. 
> > > Brian
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Ryan H wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Oops, knew I forgot to mention something.
> > > > I replaced the O2 sensor also.  And the strange thing is, with it
> > plugged in or not, the car runs the same. 
> > > > I also replaced the KE-Jetronic box just in case.
> > > > 
> > > > > o2 sensor can put the car into limp home mode... also, it would
> do
> > it until
> > > > > 'a few minutes' after cycling the ignition (warm up mode).
> > > > > Al
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Ryan H" <rhock99@epix.net>
> > > > > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 10:10 PM
> > > > > Subject: Desperation... any more ideas (16V problems)?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > OK, I'm out of ideas.  Car runs in limp mode 90% of the time
> > > > > (progressively got worse).  If I turn it off then on, or nearly
> > stall the
> > > > > engine, it goes normal for a few minutes.  I've replaced (or
> > swapped) nearly
> > > > > everything I can think of (list below) that would be related.
> > Still
> > > > > nothing.  Anyone near Scranton PA that would be willing to help
> me
> > with the
> > > > > car?  Like take it off my hands and try to fix it for however
> long
> > it takes.
> > > > > I'd pay $200 + whatever parts need to be replaced to anyone who
> > could figure
> > > > > it out... really.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, here's the list of things done:
> > > > > > New fuel filter (cheap one, though, but still...)
> > > > > > New knock sensor
> > > > > > Swapped knock boxes & ICM (tried 2 different ones)
> > > > > > Swapped distrib/hall sender
> > > > > > Swapped coil (part store only had 8V coil, but it still did
> the
> > same
> > > > > thing... can't find a 16V coil to test with)
> > > > > > Timed motor many times
> > > > > > New rotor/cap
> > > > > > New plugs/wires
> > > > > > Swapped coolant sensor
> > > > > > New main pump
> > > > > > New transfer pump
> > > > > > Hardwired FP relay
> > > > > > Checked & cleaned as many connections as I could
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This problem bothers me even more because the car runs sooo
> > strong when
> > > > > it's normal.  When it's not, I can't even get to 4000+ rpm.  Geo
> > Metros pass
> > > > > me like I'm stopped. :o
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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