2.0l 16V Swap Page?

[jtoomasson at yahoo.com (Jeff Toomasson)]

First of all, if you're installing it into the 16v, I wouldn't even bother
going with the motronic. The CIS-E plugs right into the 2L setup. Any gains
via computer upgrades don't amount to making it worth the PITA effort to
convert.

I don't have experience with Motronic yet - though Raffi will doing his
within the next couple of months.

But, IMO, CIS-E vs. Motronic really doesn't matter from an installation
standpoint. You have to examine it on an abstract level.

- you have several components to make the engine operate, accelerate, etc.
All of those components are wired into the motronic/CIS-E harness (doesn't
matter) via their respective control boxes. As I mentioned earlier, the
later VWs ('84+) had the same base fuseboxes. The engine compartment crap is
all wired into one harness. This harness plugs into the fusebox. Other than,
IIRC, less than five other wires that are easily distinguishable from the
others, that's all it really is.

It really does become clear once you have the complete engine management
wiring separated from the fusebox.

HTH, JT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Kellner" <rfkellner@snet.net>
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: 2.0l 16V Swap Page?


> Jeff, if it even happens, it could go into my 84 8v or my 87 16v.  If I
> start with the 8v I will need a 16V transmission, however the basic car
> is in better shape than the 16V.
> Now all I have to do is convince the rest of the family that we
> need another VW in the yard.  Actually, I have a big yard....
> Rick K.
>
> BTW, any experience with the Motronic conversions?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Toomasson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:23 PM
> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: 2.0l 16V Swap Page?
>
> Thanks for reminding me about the exhaust - the one thing you'll need
> that I
> haven't mentioned is the Scirocco 16v exhaust manifold (which I happen
> to
> have for sale) and a suitable downpipe (TT at a minimum), unless you're
> planning on going to a header like I did.  You still haven't clued us in
> on
> what kind of scirocco you're dropping this beast into...   :)
>
> Once you have that and all the other goodies from the Passat engine bay,
> it's a direct drop in. Get new A1 motor mounts while you're at it.
>
> Getting the fuel over to the passenger side requires the fuel line that
> goes
> all the way back to the pump, but I have NO idea if the passat fuel
> line's
> length poses any difficulties....
>
> To be cont'd, I'm sure.  JT
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick Kellner" <rfkellner@snet.net>
> To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:44 PM
> Subject: RE: 2.0l 16V Swap Page?
>
>
> >
> > Jeff,
> > This does help, anyone with experience to share is a big help.
> > Your second example is what I had envisioned.  An A2, actually a
> Passat
> > which is a B Series, so in either case it would involve and
> intake/fuel
> > swap to the passenger's side.  The electronics would therefore be
> > Montronic.
> > Also, the donor car is a complete car.
> >
> > Finally, since the 2.0 16V is not the 'tall block', there are
> > minimal problems with utilizing the existing exhaust, correct?
> >
> > Thanks, Rick K.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Toomasson [mailto:jtoomasson@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:38 AM
> > To: Rick Kellner; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: 2.0l 16V Swap Page?
> >
> > Don't know of a page specifically...I assume this is for a Motronic
> > setup?
> >
> > What year are you swapping the powerplant into? This job is
> considerably
> > easier if it's going into an '84+ mk2 from a wiring standpoint because
> > the
> > base fuseboxes are identical.
> >
> > I just completed an A1 (driver's side, CIS-E) 2L16v swap into my cabby
> a
> > few
> > weeks ago. Did all of the electrical work myself too.
> >
> > Other than getting the fuel supply, a few air/vacuum lines, airbox
> > wiring
> > issues out of the way,  the A2 version shouldn't be any different
> > (provided
> > you have a complete donor).
> >
> > Doubt that helps, but hopefully, I can add some value when your
> > questions
> > become more specific. Keep us posted and G/L!
> >
> > L8R, JT
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rick Kellner" <rfkellner@snet.net>
> > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:46 PM
> > Subject: 2.0l 16V Swap Page?
> >
> >
> > > Anyone have some good sites detailing an A2, 2.0l 16v swap into a
> > > Scirocco?  How many out there with this swap?
> > > Thanks, Rick Kellner.
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