OT: Question for the Americans

[abatzis2@hotmail.com (Michael Abatzis)]

1) living in the past. yeah, lots of oppression in the past, but not just 
blacks--irish, italian, japanese (intern camps?), hispanic. deal with it. my 
mom grew up in projects, dad was a poor immigrant. i don't feel anyone owes 
me anything. and guess what? anyone under the age of 30 is subject to random 
pull-overs and harassment. and though it sucks, these are the people most 
likely to commit crimes. fact is, you still can express your opinion, and 
you still benefit from living in the us. you still are able to pull yourself 
out of the ghetto, and do what you wish with your life.

2) about saddam. no, he doesn't have nukes now, but he's close, and 
everyone's willing to concede that. and do you really need a mushroom cloud 
for proof that he has them? more importantly, it doesn't matter that he's 
going to use nukes, but just that he has them.  having nuclear capability, 
and the threat of using it, gives you a huge amount of leverage politically. 
  example-pakistan and india.  at the brink of war not many months ago.  
india's army is waaay bigger than pakistan. but pakistan has nukes, and 
threatened to strike first if invaded.  the result was that india's superior 
conventional army couldn't do anything. pakistan is much more powerful than 
it would be otherwise. compare with iraq; if they have nukes, a conventional 
war becomes much more dangerous--iraq would be able to do much more without 
fear of reprisal, because of the increased risk of a conventional attack. 
anyway, bottom line is that i (and many americans) are willing to be more 
"proactive" to keep terrorist attacks from happening again, and if our 
military actually has to be used (instead of just threats), so be it.  in my 
book, anything done in the middle east is justifiably self defense. (and i'm 
dating a muslim girl from libya, btw--go figure).

3) alan greenspan controls the economy, which has moved in cycles every 5-10 
years for the past 100 years. greenspan by himself controls the interest 
rates, which have by far a greater immediate impact on the economy than 
anything bush can do.  the most anyone can due is to limit the extent of a 
recession-you can't keep it from happening.  greenspan, btw, has been in 
power for reagan, bush, clinton, and bush again.

jeez cathy, thanks for starting this thread...

-Michael Abatzis
Hotlanta! GA
1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but not taking orders 
yet: www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...


>From: VWKING <AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET>

>Patriotism: just in case you don't know I am a black man that as a child
>grow up in the "ghetto" my great grandmother was a slave who just recently
>died almost penniless, 400 years of slavery that this good nation of ours
>promised every free slave 40 acres and a mule that they never ever ever 
>made
>good on and you want me to show you more patriotism??????? I am the one 
>that
>the police where harassing before it switched to the Arabs. I use to own a
>Porsche 911 turbo that anytime I traveled in it I was pulled over not for
>speeding or breaking any laws but for a question or two "where you going?"
>or "who car is this" or "you must be a dealer" so guess what I sold it and
>got the next best thing a vw scirocco so here I am and please forgive me 
>for
>not being to patriotic!
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ron Pieper" <rapieper@yahoo.com>
>To: "VWKING" <AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET>
>Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 6:06 AM
>Subject: Re: OT: Question for the Americans
>
>
> > --- VWKING <AMEERVWKING@COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> > > what makes you so sure he does not already have them (wmd) and just
> > > what do
> > > you think he will do if he feels like somone is coming to get
> > > him!!!!!!
> >
> > Precisely.  So stop him now.
> >
> > BTW I noted your other post about going to Canada.  I'll remember your
>patriotism.
> >
> > =====
> > Cheapass Ron
> > '87 Scirocco 16'Victor'
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Yahoo! - We Remember
> > 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost
> > http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute
> >
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Scirocco-l mailing list
>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l


_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com