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WRX vs. 1.8t

Subject: WRX vs. 1.8t
From: mkii@nycap.rr.com (Josh20V)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:57:17 -0400
References: <20021025144338.34513.qmail@web20501.mail.yahoo.com>
this is just info I've gotten from people that should know what they are
talking about, people that tend to play on 4 wheel dynos.




Josh Able
www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
"If you're already walking on thin ice, you might as well dance." -Gil
Atkinson

*GERMANY 2003 - a dub odyssey*

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Tovsen" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
To: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>; "Rabbit16v" <Rabbit16v@attbi.com>;
"Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: WRX vs. 1.8t


> What dyno charts? Where?
>
> FYI, AWD dyno charts, when available, cannot be
> compared to 2WD dyno charts. Read your SCC. :)
>
> Neal
>
> --- Josh20V <mkii@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> >  haven't been paying any attention to this thread,
> > so I don't know if this
> > was brought up or not. But the WRX when on the dyno
> > is producing much
> > smaller numbers than advertised, they need mods just
> > to get to where they
> > should be at according to the factory.
> >
> >
> > Josh Able
> > www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
> > "If you're already walking on thin ice, you might as
> > well dance." -Gil
> > Atkinson
> >
> > *GERMANY 2003 - a dub odyssey*
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Neal Tovsen" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Rabbit16v" <Rabbit16v@attbi.com>; "Scirocco
> > List"
> > <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: WRX vs. 1.8t
> >
> >
> > > OK, these arguments are getting a bit absurd. So
> > you
> > > like the 1.8T? Great! That's totally cool, and it
> > is a
> > > great car. Nobody is arguing that. Nobody has, and
> > > nobody will.
> > >
> > > Buy why bash something you haven't tried yet? Why
> > do
> > > you feel required to make this stuff up? Does it
> > > threaten you so much? You're certainly entitled to
> > > your opinions, but you should have some knowledge
> > of
> > > the opposition so you know you're correct. If
> > you're
> > > so biased that you'll never buy an asian car, that
> > is
> > > your right, but don't pretend it's based on
> > objective
> > > performance facts.
> > >
> > > Magazine ads and reviews are clearly not enough
> > > evidence for you. I respect that, and in fact
> > think
> > > that's a good thing since you're right: they
> > > definitely are biased. However I therefore
> > challenge
> > > you to go test drive the car and prove your own
> > > theories for youself. I would also insist that, in
> > > order to actually see what the car is like in
> > > performance scenarios, go to an autocross and take
> > > rides with owners of both cars...hopefully both
> > with
> > > good drivers.
> > >
> > > Pay attention when you're at the autox, and note
> > that
> > > the 1.8T (incl. the 337) isn't even in the same
> > class
> > > (GS) as the WRX (DS). The 1.8T's are in GS with
> > the
> > > 2.5RS, and while the RS has a number of
> > national-level
> > > trophies, nobody drives a 1.8T competitively in GS
> > (or
> > > any other class where the 1.8T is legal). For
> > > real-world, side-by-side comparison, go to
> > > http://www.scca.org and look through the ProSolo
> > and
> > > National Tour results for the past year.
> > >
> > > If you don't like something, that's fine. But if
> > > you've never tried it and know nothing about it,
> > don't
> > > be surprised if people stop listening.
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > > --- Rabbit16v <Rabbit16v@attbi.com> wrote:
> > > > Well, I see two problems here.  One is IF a 1.8T
> > > > pulls harder with just FWD than an AWD car that
> > is
> > > > suppose to be over 200hp the question is do you
> > NEED
> > > > AWD?  I don't and probably never will NEED it so
> > why
> > > > not go for the lower hp lower maintenance
> > vehicle
> > > > that is faster in the first place?  If you don't
> > > > NEED AWD then why buy a car that sells by it's
> > hp
> > > > that gets sucked up in the drivetrain?
> > > >
> > > > The second problem is that anyone who believes
> > that
> > > > the WRX has the horsepower they advertise at the
> > > > wheels is a chump.  Forever German manufacturers
> > > > have advertised conservative wheel hp and Asian
> > > > manufacturers have advertised liberal crank hp.
> > I
> > > > don't know for sure if it has changed but I will
> > > > never be convinced by an advertisement!!
> > > >
> > > > I'll never own an Asian car!!
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: XXSpArCoXx@aol.com
> > > >   To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > >   Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:43 PM
> > > >   Subject: Re: WRX vs. 1.8t
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   In a message dated 10/24/02 2:45:17 PM Eastern
> > > > Daylight Time, SCIROCCO_SPEED@msn.com writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     but for some reason, a 150hp 1.8t in a VW
> > seems
> > > > to pull harder in the first few gears than a
> > 180hp
> > > > Audi ???
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   Hmm lets think . . all wheel drive system. It
> > > > takes more power from the car. Sure it won't
> > have as
> > > > much pull of the line. But you can build
> > stronger
> > > > motor on all wheel drive system and not worry as
> > > > much about traction issues.
> > > >
> > > >   On the Highway I have no real problem keeping
> > up
> > > > with modded 1.8t's with my RS where as with my
> > 16v I
> > > > tend to get drop up until the real high MPH's
> > > >
> > > >   Ok I'm off . . I must figure out how to
> > > > sequentially turbo charge my RS . .
> > > >
> > > >   Later
> > > >   ~Danny~
> > > >   88 16v
> > > >   01 2.5 RS
> > >
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