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RE: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom!.8T engines are pushing 400hp+ =
with basically stock internals...with a built engine 500hp+ isn't much =
of a problem.
Josh Able
www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
"If you're already walking on thin ice, you might as well dance." -Gil =
Atkinson=20
*GERMANY 2003 - a dub odyssey*
----- Original Message -----=20
From: L F=20
To: bhonnold@pac-cap.com ; 'scirocco'=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom
Ultimate power potential? Keith Black all-aluminum 600cu in hemi. =20
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: BcH=20
To: 'scirocco'=20
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom
Dan makes many excellent points however I would like to =
explore/contest this statement and use it as a discussion "When you =
consider ultimate power potential there's no contest!"
How would the 1.8T be THE ultimate power motor? =20
Lets put the brain trust to work and get some opinions and dialog =
going. I know that there are many of us building interesting high $$ =
and high HP motors......it would be nice to see what people think.
Brian Honnold=20
Vice President Multifamily Acquisitions=20
Pacific Capital Investments=20
Phone: 916.773.3300=20
Fax: 916.773.3208=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org=20
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Dan Bubb=20
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:37 AM=20
> To: Brian Honnold=20
> Cc: 'scirocco'=20
> Subject: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom=20
>=20
>=20
> First off 150 HP from a 1.8T is not the same as 150 from an 8V or =
16V.=20
> If you put the torque curves on top of each other you will=20
> see the area=20
> under the curve is significantly greater for the 1.8T. Plus,=20
> getting 200=20
> Hp out of the 1.8T is a $400 chip and trivial to do. Matching=20
> this power=20
> out of a 2.0 16V can be done, but that isn't cheap either. It's =
either=20
> ITB with standalone engine management ($2500) + cams + P&P=20
> etc. or turbo=20
> When you consider ultimate power potential there's no contest!=20
> I think if you decide your HP goal and it's only 150 then this can =
be=20
> obtained easier than swapping the 1.8T.=20
> If your HP goal is much higher then the cost of the 1.8T swap =
becomes=20
> more reasonable in light of the cost of upgrades to other possible =
> swaps.=20
> Dan=20
>=20
> > BcH wrote:=20
> >=20
> > Oh god NOT THIS AGAIN.=20
> >=20
> > The 1.8T is not now and never will be the best option for a=20
> swap. It=20
> > IS in fact the most difficult swap with the highest $$ per=20
> HP that you=20
> > can do.=20
> >=20
> > Not only do you pay out the ass for the components, you=20
> only get 150HP=20
> > for your trouble. Add an additional $1000+ for EFI, $1000+=20
> for a real=20
> > turbo manifold and charger and another $500 for=20
> miscellaneous upgrades=20
> > to make it moderately realiable (aka 330cc injectors).=20
> >=20
> > Brian Honnold=20
> > Vice President Multifamily Acquisitions=20
> > Pacific Capital Investments=20
> > Phone: 916.773.3300=20
> > Fax: 916.773.3208=20
> >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----=20
> > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org=20
> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of ATS -=20
> > > Patrick Bureau=20
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:13 PM=20
> > > To: rept; ats@vwmail.net; scirocco=20
> > > Subject: Re: Engines- Vroom vroom=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > AH so you are not looking for a 2L 8v hybrid conversion then,=20
> > > well it all depends on your budget for a complte swap out.=20
> > >=20
> > > preferences for an scirocco.. would be a 1.8T=20
> > >=20
> > > ATS - Patrick Bureau=20
> > > 1985 8v Euro GTX 3A/JH Project=20
> > > 1985 8v Euro GT Project (Daily Drive)=20
> > > http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco/=20
> > > http://www.texassciroccoteam.org/=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > --- "rept" <rept@qwest.net> wrote:=20
> > > >If it's complete- and just needs to be dropped in- thats=20
> > > easy enough. I=20
> > > >deal with the logitics of components- but not the internal=20
> > > replacement=20
> > > >like my last swap.=20
> > > >=20
> > >=20
> > > _____________________________________________________________=20
> > > Free email, forums and features for events, clubs and cars.=20
> > > Show Pride in Your Ride with a yourname@vwmail.net address=20
> > > from http://www.vwmail.net=20
> > >=20
> > > _______________________________________________=20
> > > Scirocco-l mailing list=20
> > > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
> > > http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l=20
> > >=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________=20
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>!.8T engines are pushing 400hp+ with =
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<DIV>Josh Able<BR><A=20
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already walking on thin ice, you might as well dance." -Gil Atkinson =
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>*GERMANY 2003 - a dub odyssey*<BR></DIV>
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<A title=3Drocco16v@netzero.net href=3D"mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net";>L =
F</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>'scirocco'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 15, 2002 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: 1.8T swap: was: =
Engines-=20
Vroom vroom</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ultimate power potential? Keith =
Black=20
all-aluminum 600cu in hemi. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dbhonnold@pac-cap.com =
href=3D"mailto:bhonnold@pac-cap.com";>BcH</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>'scirocco'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 10, =
2002 10:41=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: 1.8T swap: was: =
Engines-=20
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Dan makes many excellent points however I would =
like to=20
explore/contest this statement and use it as a discussion "When you =
consider=20
ultimate power potential there's no contest!"</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>How would the 1.8T be THE ultimate power =
motor? =20
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Lets put the brain trust to work and get some =
opinions and=20
dialog going. I know that there are many of us building =
interesting=20
high $$ and high HP motors......it would be nice to see what people=20
think.</FONT></P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Brian Honnold</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Vice =
President=20
Multifamily Acquisitions</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Pacific Capital=20
Investments</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Phone: =
916.773.3300</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Fax: 916.773.3208</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
Behalf Of Dan Bubb</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Sent: Thursday, =
October 10,=20
2002 10:37 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> To: Brian =
Honnold</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> Cc: 'scirocco'</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> Subject:=20
1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>>=20
</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> First =
off 150 HP=20
from a 1.8T is not the same as 150 from an 8V or 16V.</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> If you put the torque curves on top of each other you =
will=20
</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> see the area</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> under=20
the curve is significantly greater for the 1.8T. Plus, =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> getting 200</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Hp out of =
the 1.8T is a=20
$400 chip and trivial to do. Matching </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
this=20
power</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> out of a 2.0 16V can be done, =
but that=20
isn't cheap either. It's either</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ITB =
with=20
standalone engine management ($2500) + cams + P&P =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> etc. or turbo</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> When you =
consider=20
ultimate power potential there's no contest!</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> I=20
think if you decide your HP goal and it's only 150 then this can =
be</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> obtained easier than swapping the =
1.8T.</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> If your HP goal is much higher then the cost =
of the=20
1.8T swap becomes</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> more reasonable in =
light of=20
the cost of upgrades to other possible</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
swaps.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Dan</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> > BcH wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Oh god NOT THIS =
AGAIN.</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> > The =
1.8T is not=20
now and never will be the best option for a </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
swap. It</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > IS in fact the =
most=20
difficult swap with the highest $$ per </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> HP that=20
you</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > can do.</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Not only do you pay out the =
ass for=20
the components, you </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> only get =
150HP</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > for your trouble. Add an =
additional $1000+=20
for EFI, $1000+ </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> for a real</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > turbo manifold and charger and another $500 for=20
</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> miscellaneous upgrades</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > to make it moderately realiable (aka 330cc=20
injectors).</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> Brian Honnold</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Vice =
President=20
Multifamily Acquisitions</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Pacific =
Capital=20
Investments</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Phone: =20
916.773.3300</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Fax: =20
916.773.3208</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> > -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
> >=20
From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
> >=20
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
Behalf Of ATS -</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > Patrick =
Bureau</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 =
2:13=20
PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > To: rept; =
ats@vwmail.net;=20
scirocco</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > Subject: Re: =
Engines- Vroom=20
vroom</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > > AH so you are not looking for a 2L 8v hybrid =
conversion then,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > well it =
all depends=20
on your budget for a complte swap out.</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> >=20
></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > preferences for an =
scirocco..=20
would be a 1.8T</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > > ATS - Patrick Bureau</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> >=20
> 1985 8v Euro GTX 3A/JH Project</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
> >=20
1985 8v Euro GT Project (Daily Drive)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
> >=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco/";>http://www.longcoeur.com/scir=
occo/</A></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.texassciroccoteam.org/";>http://www.texassciroccoteam.o=
rg/</A></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
>=20
></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > --- "rept"=20
<rept@qwest.net> wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > =
> >If=20
it's complete- and just needs to be dropped in- thats</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > > easy enough. I</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> >=20
> >deal with the logitics of components- but not the =
internal</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > replacement</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> > >like my last swap.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > =
>=20
></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> >=20
_____________________________________________________________</FONT> =
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > Free email, forums and features =
for events,=20
clubs and cars.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > Show Pride =
in Your=20
Ride with a yourname@vwmail.net address</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> >=20
> from <A =
href=3D"http://www.vwmail.net";>http://www.vwmail.net</A></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
> >=20
_______________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> > Scirocco-l mailing list</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
> >=20
Scirocco-l@scirocco.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > <A=20
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href=3D"http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l";>http://neubayer=
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