[OT] Rally rules

[killmurder_@hotmail.com (Jerry Carter)]

it's not that I'm being cheap, I just can't see shelling out $30 now that
I'm goin to have to spend again at the end of the year. I'm just looking for
insight on the classes and the rules defining those classes. I think that if
I had a bit more information about the organisation of the events, I may be
better equipped to make a decision on wether or not to even go in to this
thing seriously or not. If I do decide to get into it, I will be getting a
membership to SCCA, and I will be buying the books and all other info that I
can get off them regarding the sport. I was just hoping to be able to drag
up some inside info to help me decide wether or not to even go through with
the entire thing!

I have been involved with a number of very poorly done sporting events, and
honestly, if I'm going to spend $300 for 3 days of getting to drive my car
around and not much else, I think I'd take a pass thanks. but if I find that
the rules/guidelines are good/fair, and I can see a place that I fit into
them, then by all means, I'll be the first to sign up and put my money on
the table. I just want to be able to make an informed decision.

Jerry C
'81 Scirocco S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@comcast.net>
To: "Neal Tovsen" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>; "Jerry Carter"
<killmurder_@hotmail.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Rally rules


> You know what, I didn't even notice the comment about being too cheap to
buy
> the rule books. Jerry, stop what you're doing and listen to Neal very
> closely.
>
> Racing costs money. Rallying, in particular, can be very expensive. My
first
> few years ran me about $3000 a pop -not including the upfront costs of the
> car, fire suit, helmet, licenses, etc. Then, I started getting fast,
bought
> a new car, and then totalled it in my second event out. That cost me about
> $6000 right there on the spot. Whoops! As we say in rally, "There are only
> two kinds of drivers, those who have rolled and those who will".
>
> Organizing a team is no joke, either. My own "Usually Sideways Rally Team"
> has taken several years and a substantial investment of time/energy to
> nurture. Are you ready to take business owners out to dinner and pay? How
> about incorporation and legal fees? Got a service/tow vehicle? You'll need
> to house and feed your crew while on the road. Can you afford the time off
> from work? Yeah, there's lots to consider here. You can go small or do it
up
> big. Regardless, it makes that rulebook investment look like a
> pittance. -which is exactly what it is.
>
> Dats da troof, my man. Save your pennies and take up stamp collecting
until
> you're willing to shell out some bucks. Otherwise you'll just end up broke
> and pissed off.
> --
> Scott F. Williams
> NJ Scirocco nut
> '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
>
> Check out our rally team's website!
> http://www.usrallyteam.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Neal Tovsen
> > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 5:41 PM
> > To: Jerry Carter; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: [OT] Rally rules
> >
> >
> > 1: Do you want to start a Road Rally team, a
> > Performance Club/Pro-Rally team or do you want to do
> > Solo-I? Completely different activities. The Solo-I
> > rulebook is the same for Solo-II, so you can get it at
> > any SCCA autocross. Maybe Scott can chime in about
> > Rally...
> >
> > 2: Forgive my bluntness here: If you're too cheap to
> > spend $15-$20 on a rulebook, you are completely
> > incapable of running either Solo-I or Rally.
> >
> > I don't mean to come across as such a hard-ass, but if
> > you don't want to spend $20 on a rulebook, you really
> > ought to think about whether or not you're able to
> > sustain such a hobby. In both cases, a "somewhat
> > recent" rulebook is worse than none at all, an SCCA
> > membership is required, and a competition license is
> > also needed. Multi-state travel (except for maybe the
> > one event a year that is near your home) and $60-$200
> > entry fees are required for every event. Safety gear
> > such as roll cages, driving suits, and fire
> > suppression systems are mandatory for Solo-I and Perf.
> > Rally. I don't know about Rally, but Solo-I also
> > requires prior Solo experience (Solo Trials or
> > Solo-II). Hell, even being serious about Solo-II costs
> > more money (ask me about it!). Being too cheap for $20
> > isn't going to get you far.
> >
> > You should definitely scope this stuff out before
> > proceeding any further. A new rulebook and club
> > membership are the first steps in entering a fairly
> > serious sport like one of these. Go to some events.
> > Talk to some teams. Maybe even volunteer to be a crew
> > member on a team for an event or two. I can't tell you
> > how much I learned when I was a crew member for Paul
> > Eklund's ProRally team, except that it will be a while
> > before I can afford Performance Rally! It is still
> > tons of fun, even if you aren't driving. :)
> >
> > Neal
> > (Working into National Solo-II, ProSolo and Solo
> > Trials for now...)
> >
> > --- Jerry Carter <killmurder_@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hey all... I was wondering if anyone on the list
> > > happens to have any current
> > > (or somewhat current) scca rulebooks for solo 1
> > > lying around thier house.
> > > I'm starting up a rally team and I don't have the
> > > rulebooks, but I'm too
> > > cheap to buy them. since the team won't be started
> > > until next season, that
> > > would be when I would have to buy the books, but in
> > > the meantime I need to
> > > know what I need to do to a car to make it
> > > rally-able, and a breakdown of
> > > the classes would be handy as well.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > Jerry C.
> > > '81 Scirocco(soon g60)
> > > '81 Scirocco S (soon in garage)
> > >
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