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R-134a conversion: a success!

Subject: R-134a conversion: a success!
From: amalventano1@comcast.net (Allyn)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:11:33 -0400
References: <Pine.A41.4.44.0207202006180.86676-100000@dante10.u.washington.edu><003001c231da$e17a10a0$521601d9@dirk> <029601c23264$08264780$0200a8c0@al><OE76YfoBnbfeSgzD8Nm000042dd@hotmail.com>

doh, my bad
damn those people for rearranging the numbers and coming up with a new refridgerant.
Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Wagner" <scirocco_88_16v@hotmail.com>
To: "Allyn" <amalventano1@comcast.net>; "Dirk Schneider" <Scirocco@t-online.de>; "T. Reed"
<treed2@u.washington.edu>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: R-134a conversion: a success!


> No Allyn, Dirk is right.
>
> r413 is a blend refrigerant that is Hydrocarbon based, unlike the HFC r134a.
> R134a is accepted here in the States and in europe, but the european
> goverment have accepted the use of HC refrigerants, the US won't because
> they are flammable. Guess what read the MSDS sheets on HFC r134a and tell me
> it is not flammable. Just goes to show you that Dupont has alot of pull.
>
> Brian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@comcast.net>
> To: "Dirk Schneider" <Scirocco@t-online.de>; "T. Reed"
> <treed2@u.washington.edu>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:14 AM
> Subject: Re: R-134a conversion: a success!
>
>
> > dirk, it sounds to me like they have their numbers backwards. there is no
> such thing as 413, but if
> > you rearrange 413 you get 134. 134 does all that same stuff (can mix with
> r12, is safe on seals
> > (with the proper oil), etc).
> > Al
> >
> > Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
> > 87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 180k, rocco #6) ** 134a
> > 86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7) ** no ac
> > 86.5 Occo 16v Trailer (dotting 'i's across the country, rocco #8) ** dont
> stinkin matter :)
> > 87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch,
> driveshafts, wheels :) **
> > 134a
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dirk Schneider" <SCIROCCO2@t-online.de>
> > To: "T. Reed" <treed2@u.washington.edu>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: R-134a conversion: a success!
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > This spring I also had to refill the A/C of my Scirocco
> > > which was still equipped with R12.
> > >
> > > The time I drove to the ATU-repairshop in April, they told me that
> > > R12 is forbidden since a few years here in Germany, and for a swap to
> > > the legal R134, they would have to exchange all the seals, put in a new
> dryer,
> > > a new condensator and they would have to remove the compressor for
> > > making it completly empty.
> > > Total estimated costs : $450
> > >
> > > Then I went to the BOSCH service and they told me that this is nonsense,
> > > all I need is R413, a new dryer, new seals, a valve-adapter and a
> contrast-fluid
> > > to spot possible leaks with an UV lamp.
> > > They told me that they will use R413a ( and NOT R134a )
> > > because R413a can be mixed with remaining R12 without dammaging
> anything.
> > > They also told me that R413 was specially designed to be used in older
> AC systems
> > > that are contaminated with R12.
> > >
> > > effective costs at the BOSCH service, after I had my car upgraded with
> R413,
> > > a new dryer, new valves, and leak checkup :
> > > $199
> > >
> > > and the A/C works good again !!
> > >
> > >
> > > It seems like some repair shops here don't tell their customers about
> R413 to
> > > do the pricey R134a thing instead ?!
> > >
> > >
> > > is R413 also available in the States ?
> > >
> > >
> > > friendly Greetings !
> > > Dirk
> > >
> > > CORRADO G60 www.Scirocco2.de/my_corrado_1.jpg
> > > Scirocco 16V GT II '92 darkgreen-pearl  www.GT-2.de/GT2.htm
> > > Scirocco 16V GTX "CABRIOLET" www.Scirocco2.de/hornstein.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.Scirocco2.de
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "T. Reed" <treed2@u.washington.edu>
> > > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 5:21 AM
> > > Subject: R-134a conversion: a success!
> > >
> > >
> > > Just thought I'd flaunt my newly working A/C.. charged the system
> > > yesterday and just tested it out in the daytime this afternoon. It cools
> > > well.. I don't have a thermometer to check my vent temps handy but I'll
> > > probably check them eventually. What I can say is that driving around
> last
> > > night with 60 degree temps outside, my windows were all fogged up and my
> > > ears got numb and turned red. Chilly. Today it got almost as cold but it
> > > took longer (I had it on recirculate). I've never had a car with working
> > > A/C before so this is fun stuff.
> > >
> > > Basically, I took the middle road for the conversion - I replaced the
> > > receiver/drier ($22), pulled a vacuum for 20 minutes ($12 Harbor Freight
> > > compressed air driven venturi pump - 4.2 SCFM @ 90 psi) and used a cheap
> > > interdynamics kit ($35 including 2 cans with r134a + oil + leak sealer +
> > > o-ring treatment, a can tap, hose, fittings, label and instructions) to
> > > charge with 24 oz refrigerant and 6 oz ester oil. I didn't drain the oil
> > > or change the o-rings, but it all seems to be working fine so far. We'll
> > > see..
> > >
> > > I'm liking this whole cold-air-from-all-four-vents thing, and it seems
> to
> > > get cold a lot quicker than the heater gets hot .. something like 30
> > > seconds before it starts blowing cold whereas the heater usually takes
> 60
> > > - 100 seconds. It's pretty neat under the hood too because the hoses for
> > > the low side frost over with ice while the high side gets almost hot
> > > enough to burn you.
> > >
> > > Anyway, just thought I'd share my story since there have been some posts
> > > about converting in the past few weeks.
> > >
> > > -Toby
> > >
> > > --
> > > '87 16v
> > >
> > >
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References:
- R-134a conversion: a success!
  - From: treed2@u.washington.edu (T. Reed)
- R-134a conversion: a success!
  - From: Dirk Schneider" <Scirocco@t-online.de (Dirk Schneider)
- R-134a conversion: a success!
  - From: amalventano1@comcast.net (Allyn)
- R-134a conversion: a success!
  - From: scirocco_88_16v@hotmail.com (Brian Wagner)

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