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chassis re-enforcement v.101



Hmm interesting. The biggest noticable addition for me would have to be a 
LOWER stress bar.


Chris DeLong
ICQ#45030867
Seattle, WA USA
'80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
'91 GLi 2.0 16V
'77 Rabbit 16V
'80 'Vert (parting out!)
'61 17 Window type II
'91 Vanagon
'78 Rabbit
'84 Jetta





>From: "Rabbit16v" <Rabbit16v@attbi.com>
>To: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
>Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 11:08:12 -0800
>
>Actually, if you do a before and after test drive, installing an upper 
>strut
>brace is, I think, makes one of the biggest differencese next to lowering
>the car.  I have done the before and after test on my Rabbit, Pickup, 
>Golf2,
>and both Sciroccos.  I don't know what Shine would say about it but I think
>the braces add a little more rigidity and less sway in hard cornering.  
>This
>has just been my experience.
>
>Dave
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "L F" <rocco16v@netzero.net>
>To: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>; "Scott F. Williams"
><sfwilliams@comcast.net>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 6:00 AM
>Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
>
>
>I'm not so sure strut towers (ST) are problematic.  I think ST braces are
>popular because they are relatively inexpensive, very easy to install, and
>have a certain visual impact. Yes, STs sometimes exhibit evidence of
>movement. (the key word is sometimes) But, if the truth be known, if every
>ST brace were to vaporize, no one would probably notice a great deal of
>difference, unless the STs were already loose.  In which case they should
>get out the welder and FIX the problem.
>My $.02, which is probably worth considerably less than that to certain
>individuals.....:)
>
>Larry
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Josh20V
>   To: Scott F. Williams ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:16 AM
>   Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
>
>
>   strut towers would seem to be a known weak area. and a normal bar will 
>is
>   not an option.
>
>   Josh Able
>   www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
>   Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods
>   the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!
>   KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@comcast.net>
>   To: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:31 AM
>   Subject: RE: chassis re-enforcement v.101
>
>
>   > Josh, where do you suppose the chassis will crack, anyway. We all know
>   that
>   > the rad support is suspect, but the firewall? I can't see that 
>breaking
>   from
>   > engine torque. Why not simply seam weld around all the engine mounts 
>and
>   > other body seams if you can? The Warpig landed jumps for five straight
>   years
>   > before any significant cracking ensued. That was impact damage and not
>due
>   > to the engine, but I think you might be okay. Seam welding seems lots
>more
>   > practical for what you're doing.
>   >
>   > P.S. What engine mounts are you running? Also, I think driving 
>technique
>   > will be critically important. Dragracing is far different than
>roadracing
>   is
>   > different than street driving, is different than... etc.
>   > --
>   > Scott F. Williams
>   > NJ Scirocco nut
>   > '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
>   > Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
>   > Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
>   > ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
>   >
>   > > -----Original Message-----
>   > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
>   > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Josh20V
>   > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:02 AM
>   > > To: Michael Abatzis; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>   > > Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > though I would be strapped in well, so I don't foresee flying 
>around.
>:P
>   > >
>   > > but with about 300whp and 260 ft/tq, I know the engine will break 
>lose
>   at
>   > > some point, Im on barrowed time as of now.
>   > >
>   > > Josh Able
>   > > www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
>   > > Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods
>   > > the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!
>   > > KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein
>   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
>   > > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>   > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:42 PM
>   > > Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > > what i was saying is that you're potentially *disabling* a pretty
>   > > important
>   > > > protection mechanism in the car.  better your head attached to 
>your
>   body
>   > > > than engine to car body.
>   > > >
>   > > > -Michael Abatzis
>   > > > Hotlanta! GA
>   > > > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but not
>   > > taking orders
>   > > > yet: www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
>   > > > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > > >From: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>
>   > > > >
>   > > > >this isnt for protection, it is for re-enforcement to keep the
>engine
>   > > > >connected to the rest of the car.
>   > > > >
>   > > > >Josh Able
>   > > > >www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
>   > > > >Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods
>   > > > >the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!
>   > > > >KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein
>   > > > >----- Original Message -----
>   > > > >From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
>   > > > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>   > > > >Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:23 PM
>   > > > >Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
>   > > > >
>   > > > >
>   > > > > > haven't ever seen this addressed, but what are you doing to
>   > > the crush
>   > > > >area
>   > > > > > when you reinforce the engine bay like that? one of the only
>(and
>   > > best,
>   > > > > > imho) safety features on these cars is the crushability of the
>   front
>   > > and
>   > > > > > rear.  i'm thinking a tubular reinforcement would do away with
>   that,
>   > > and
>   > > > > > turn these cars into even more of a death trap than they 
>already
>   > > > >are...$0.02
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > > -Michael Abatzis
>   > > > > > Hotlanta! GA
>   > > > > > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but not
>   taking
>   > > > >orders
>   > > > > > yet: www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
>   > > > > > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > >
>   > > > > >
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