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chassis re-enforcement v.101

Subject: chassis re-enforcement v.101
From: brianm@earendel.org (brianm@earendel.org)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:03:11 -0500 (EST)
In-reply-to: <001b01c2ab80$f9a997c0$26801918@mediaone.net>
References: <NFBBIFEIOLEKBIKOONPOGEIMGMAB.sfwilliams@comcast.net><001b01c2ab80$f9a997c0$26801918@mediaone.net>

well here is a suggestion. It just hit me like a ton of bricks...
Look at ETKA and at the Convertable reinforcements. you might be able to 
get some OEM replacements, weld em in and help out a bit. 
For example,  the floor-pan and front and rear struct towers are covered 
by an extra bit of metal. The engineers are required to do the FEM or 
physical testing to keep the crumple zones intact. Im sure the is a bunny 
out there that is in bad shape that you could disassemble/cut up. 
As far as the wrecks that ive seen in the yard. most roccos take it in the 
nose or in the butt. so i you preserve the crumple zone in the front ie 
the part that looks like it could accordian easy stock. you could prolly 
preserve the force absorbing area in the front. so after saying all that.

Im guessing that if you welded in cage inside the fenderwells (pita to do 
anything.. make sure the motor/tranny can be removed without grinding and 
rewelding. just leave the front of the cage open so if someone were to say 
hit a pole driving the car (vw gods, God, Allah, etc.. forbid..) the front 
end can still wrap around it. or if its hits off center the corner can 
still absorb significant energy before impacting the ridged frame. Talk to 
our wonderful ME's / structual engineers what to do to make the engine be 
directed under the car not into the cabin. 
Brian
88 16v aka skateboard 
82 2.0L topless bunny
84 0v
90 90q20v
91 VFR750F everyone needs a factory 11-12 sec vehicle. :-)


On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Josh20V wrote:

> strut towers would seem to be a known weak area. and a normal bar will is
> not an option.
> 
> Josh Able
> www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
> Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods
> the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!
> KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@comcast.net>
> To: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 9:31 AM
> Subject: RE: chassis re-enforcement v.101
> 
> 
> > Josh, where do you suppose the chassis will crack, anyway. We all know
> that
> > the rad support is suspect, but the firewall? I can't see that breaking
> from
> > engine torque. Why not simply seam weld around all the engine mounts and
> > other body seams if you can? The Warpig landed jumps for five straight
> years
> > before any significant cracking ensued. That was impact damage and not due
> > to the engine, but I think you might be okay. Seam welding seems lots more
> > practical for what you're doing.
> >
> > P.S. What engine mounts are you running? Also, I think driving technique
> > will be critically important. Dragracing is far different than roadracing
> is
> > different than street driving, is different than... etc.
> > --
> > Scott F. Williams
> > NJ Scirocco nut
> > '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> > Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> > Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> > ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Josh20V
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:02 AM
> > > To: Michael Abatzis; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
> > >
> > >
> > > though I would be strapped in well, so I don't foresee flying around. :P
> > >
> > > but with about 300whp and 260 ft/tq, I know the engine will break lose
> at
> > > some point, Im on barrowed time as of now.
> > >
> > > Josh Able
> > > www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
> > > Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods
> > > the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!
> > > KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
> > > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:42 PM
> > > Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
> > >
> > >
> > > > what i was saying is that you're potentially *disabling* a pretty
> > > important
> > > > protection mechanism in the car.  better your head attached to your
> body
> > > > than engine to car body.
> > > >
> > > > -Michael Abatzis
> > > > Hotlanta! GA
> > > > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but not
> > > taking orders
> > > > yet: www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
> > > > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Josh20V" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >this isnt for protection, it is for re-enforcement to keep the engine
> > > > >connected to the rest of the car.
> > > > >
> > > > >Josh Able
> > > > >www.JsHouseOfEuro.com
> > > > >Carbon Fiber & Fiberglass fenders and hoods
> > > > >the RSD line is HERE!!!!!!!
> > > > >KW-Weitec-H&R-Bilstein
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
> > > > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > >Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:23 PM
> > > > >Subject: Re: chassis re-enforcement v.101
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > haven't ever seen this addressed, but what are you doing to
> > > the crush
> > > > >area
> > > > > > when you reinforce the engine bay like that? one of the only (and
> > > best,
> > > > > > imho) safety features on these cars is the crushability of the
> front
> > > and
> > > > > > rear.  i'm thinking a tubular reinforcement would do away with
> that,
> > > and
> > > > > > turn these cars into even more of a death trap than they already
> > > > >are...$0.02
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Michael Abatzis
> > > > > > Hotlanta! GA
> > > > > > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but not
> taking
> > > > >orders
> > > > > > yet: www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
> > > > > > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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