HELP(Honda) final thoughts

[Rabbit16v@attbi.com (Rabbit16v)]

Well, at least you saw his point, I didn't have enough time to read through
all that babble, especially since it was so contradicting.  I, myself,
always thought that we were all about the performance and useful mods as
compared to the useless mods.  I know many of you have the colored street
lights or the clear corner lights but for the most part we are all
performance oriented and like a nice clean looking car (scirocco).

As far as Honduhs are concerned (sorry, I will always have an attitude
toward them), I understand "fads" and whats "in" or "out" but making a car
look fast when they are slower than your Grandma's car is just silly.  I
respect the people who put together a nice clean fast Honduh but the wings,
fairings, monster mufflers (fake duals!!) and metal flake paint with the
bone stock (maybe an intake something-or-rather to make it sound throaty) I
just can't respect.

Lastly, as far as lemmings are concerned I believe ANYONE who does anything
because someone else has already done it falls into the lemming category.  I
like to do things because I want to and everything I have done on my cars
I've done because I wanted it that way NOT because everyone else was doing
it.  Now, I may of gotten ideas from others but not the reasons to do it.  I
think the true lemmings are people who are afraid to be different or do what
they want to do.  For example, I believe lemmings have made Lexus, Acura,
and Infinity what they are by trying to keep up with the Jones' we all went
out and bought rebadged Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans when their
top-of-the-line cars are cheaper and just as nice.  In this area there are
WAY too many other situations to list.

I think this list is not about hating Honduhs (although I do) or about
belonging to a VW "cult" (which I think this is, kidding) but a place where
hundreds of people can meet and talk about their ideas and have fun while
having a certain car in common.  And, not to mention, to hang out with
people who "aren't" afraid of being a little different by owning and taking
pride in the worlds most popular car company, VW.  Wow, my heart skipped a
beat after that last line.  :)

Just my $.02 in pounds.

Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Smith" <SCIROCCO_SPEED@msn.com>
To: "SCIROCCO-LIST" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: HELP(Honda) final thoughts


> Do you consider a Dad and his 14 year old son working on a 72' Charger or
> 66' Mustang a Lemming because they have a few MOPAR or Edlebrock catalogs
> laying around Lemmings.
>
> Ohhh MY GOD, wait a minute.  Maybe all the Scirocco owners out there who
are
> NOT on this list are the only real NON-lemmings!
>
> Sorry Man, I see your point completely and it just rubbed me the wrong way
> that's all (maybe hit a little to close to home with the 2.0 bottom end
> stuff ;-) ).  It's all good though.
>
> -Brando
>
> "Hello, my name is Brandon, and I'm a VW Lemming."
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Dubdaze68@aol.com>
> To: <vwnuts@yahoo.com>; <scirocco81@vwmail.net>
> Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:10 PM
> Subject: Re: HELP(Honda) final thoughts
>
>
> > You know what...
> >
> > I've been involved in VWs for 7 years now, and had dreams of owning one
> for a
> > lot longer than that.  This is what I expect of a bunch of mostly now
> older
> > guys that can't remember the stupid shit that they did as teenagers.
Yes,
> > the import market has exploded since about '96.  Yes, the aftermarket is
> > geared towards people that can't get past the first aisle in Pep Boys
that
> > sells that stuff, when all you want to do is get to the bulb aisle,
> looking
> > for the gauge cluster light that comes on intermittently when you smack
> the
> > dash.  The manufacturers go where the money is, (hello, Neuspeed) and
> older
> > VW's aren't it.  Hell, most of the people that own 1st Gen CRX's can't
get
> a
> > ton of stuff, so it's not a rice issue.  Pick up an old issue of VW&
> > Porsche(precursor to European Car, or a REALLY old issue of Sport
Compact
> > Car, and you will see Scirocco's and Corrado's.  Plus, check out all the
> ads.
> >  They are filled to the brim with stuff for the A1 chassied cars.  Do
you
> > guys realize that the LAST year of Scirocco(US) is eligible for Classic
> car
> > plates here in PA?(Ask Jason Cammissa)  I mean, the purist people that
> don't
> > want to be "lemmings" as they put it dont realize that they are lemmings
> in
> > their own group.  Euro Bumpers, Euro lights, susp, TT , Jetex, or
Autotech
> > Exhausts, 2.0 Bottom end, and a K&N drop in (or the Jamex airbox if
you're
> > lucky.).  How many people here fall in that category? Or have at least 2
> of
> > those mods?  Quite lemming like of you ask me.  We all sound like snobs.
> Or
> > old farts.  We're quickly becoming the Old guys at the car cruises with
> satin
> > jackets on listening to doo-wop, or, if you want something more
familiar,
> the
> > guys in the air cooleds who REALLLY dislike any watercooleds that aren't
a
> NB
> > or their Daily Driver.  They don't get us, and we're losing touch with
the
> > upcoming generation of dub-heads.  Have you noticed the crowd at
> Waterfest?
> > Getting younger and more rice like.  It's just the times, and they are a
> > changin. THESE KIDS NEED OUR GUIDANCE.  I didn't go this year because of
> the
> > riot police at the hotel last year, and I really missed all you guys.  I
> > heard about the hotel shit this year, and the judging, and was REALLY
glad
> i
> > didn't go.  Some of these cars at the shows are tasteless as hell, but
> even
> > some of the tacky ones have stuff that you have to admire as ingenuity,
> and
> > some details that would cross over into our world.  We're all car guys
> here.
> > Ive wanted a Scirocco 16v since the first time I saw one way back in
'87.
> It
> > was only after the vast improvements to the Jap brands that I even
> considered
> > the Civic SI.  The SI is built in Great Britain, and is specifically for
> that
> > market.  it has features that you would hope VW would put in its cars
for
> a
> > reasonable price, But they no longer care for sporty ENTRY LEVEL cars.
> > Remember the ads with a Rabbit GTI sitting next to a Mustang at a
traffic
> > light? and how it would spank anything in it's price range?  What do
they
> > have like that now, affordable, and competitive right off the showroom
> > floor...NOTHING.  The 337?  If you can find one that hasn't been marked
up
> > more than it's already premium price.  GTI VR6 or Jetta GLI?  holy
> expensive,
> > considering you can get more horsies and all wheel drive from Subaru and
> soon
> > Mitsubishi. GTI 1.8t?  yeah, you're just a chip, turbo, springs and
tires
> > away from a fun car..AND ITS TOO damn big.  Plus, I''ve been following
the
> > development of Grassroots Motorsports CIVIC SI project, which is why I
was
> > interested in the first place.  I also considered waiting for a NB 1.8t
> > convertible...But 24,000 to start?  Give Me a Break.  I am just getting
to
> > the point, considering here in the Big City you can't get garage space
all
> > the time, where I dont have the time, money or patience for a Classic
> > Collectible Car....And that's where these things are heading I'm afraid.
> > We're becoming antiques if we stay in our little bubbles that we've
> created
> > around us.  I wanted a MINI Cooper S, too.  24,000 the way I wanted it,
> and
> > no deals were to be had.  Hell, I just want a car to Autocross that
won't
> > lose a piece after every run, or have a car where I don't have to guess
> how
> > fast Im going because the speedo box went bad....I've put up with this
for
> > years, i'ts only now after dumping 5,000+ into routine maintenance items
> that
> > i'm getting sick of it...ask anybody who knows me how sick I am to sell
my
> > Cabby.  Or how I searched for my first car for eons looking for a Rabbit
> GTI
> > that wasnt' beaten hard or trashed with a huge price on them because
they
> > were "collecters items" How many shows i've been to and how many friends
> i've
> > made.  I wouldn't trade those things for anything in the world, and even
> if I
> > would buy a Honda, I'd still be a Die hard VW fan....I'm always the guy
at
> > every vortex meeting with the oldest damn car, and I'm just kinda sick
of
> it.
> >  Yeah, parts are a plenty because of the interchangeability of the
> platforms,
> >  But every  5 minutes?  How many people here know the parts counter guy
at
> > the dealership on a first name basis?  How many people have willed away
> their
> > first born son to the Potterman?  I'ts come to the point I'm afraid to
> drive
> > the car as hard as I want because I'm afraid something will break. Trust
> me,
> > I raced a guy in a riced Integra 4 months ago, and when I spanked him
and
> > then told him my car was mechanically stock, his jaw hit the floor.  I
> LOVED
> > that.  Maybe later, when I can actually afford to have a car just sit
> there,
> > I'll get the creampuff 'Rocco driven by a little old lady....but until
> then,
> > I'm just looking for the right NEW car at the right price.
> > Sorry for the rant, but geez, I haven't seen such snobbery in forever,
and
> I
> > was REALLY pissed bout it...
> >
> > Patrick Boyle
> > '87 Scirocco 16v
> > '87 Cabriolet
> > '84 Rabbit GTI
> >
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