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16V Supercharger setup!



I think Joe's point is that you if you have a 16v,
don't bother putting in a 2.0 just use the engine you
already have its free...  Oh and the daily driver
thing is totally right.  having the jetta is what
makes scirocco modification possible.  I remember the
old days of having to slam the car back together to
drive to work.. don't miss that at all...


--- Joe Doty <Joe.Doty@lcnetwork.com> wrote:
> I didn't say any 9A setup was bad or good, I just
> said it wasn't better
> than an ABA 16v.  I'm not knocking factory pistons
> or stacking
> headgaskets.  I know a lot of people have put down
> some insane numbers
> with stacked headgaskets on stock bottom ends. 
> However, I think it's
> stupid to go through the trouble of purchasing and
> swapping a 9A (for
> forced induction purposes) on a budget setup.
> 
> Joe Doty
> IT/Development
> joe@lcnetwork.com 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allyn [mailto:amalventano@sc.rr.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 3:21 PM
> To: Joe Doty; bhonnold@pac-cap.com;
> scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: 16V Supercharger setup!
> 
> so... based on your post... what was your bad
> experience with a 9a
> block,
> factory pistons, and gasket sandwich?
> Al
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Doty" <Joe.Doty@lcnetwork.com>
> To: <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>;
> <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 6:04 PM
> Subject: RE: 16V Supercharger setup!
> 
> 
> I will take your word for in it that an ABA 16vT
> isn't ideal, but a 9A
> with three headgaskets is most definitely NOT
> better.  First off, I
> would definitely NOT swap a 9A into any vehicle
> without putting forged
> pistons in it.  Total waste otherwise...if you're
> going cheap, you're
> not going to swap any engines.  Assuming we're
> talking about turbo'ing
> sciroccos with factory 1.8 16v engines...
> 
> I still believe you could do a good setup for crazy
> cheap if you were so
> inclined...my only recommendation is that you DO NOT
> do it to your daily
> driver, like I did.
> 
> I agree that the ABA motronic sucks ass for forced
> induction.
> 
> Joe Doty
> IT/Development
> joe@lcnetwork.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BcH [mailto:bhonnold@pac-cap.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 12:04 PM
> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: RE: 16V Supercharger setup!
> 
> Screw all these discussions about converting ABA
> blocks for 16v turbo or
> supercharger use.  By the time you are done (unless
> your GOD of the
> junkyard scroungers) you will end up spending all
> your time chasing
> parts and monkeydicking around trying to make it all
> work.
> 
> In Fact, if you read back on my posts here and the
> hardcore forum posts
> about ABA 16v you will find that it is a shitty
> basis for a 16v. Without
> significant $$ invested in the pistons.  Even if you
> get a gread deal on
> all the parts, and swap them in yourself, and opt
> not to clearance the
> pistons.....you get 8:1 compression.  Which is to
> low even to start a
> turbo project with a 16v head.
> 
> Also, the chippable motronic setup is a pile of shit
> for forced
> induction.  The ONLY way to go is G60/Aftermarket
> EFI.
> 
> If you want a nice 16v setup, buy a 9A motor, stack
> a couple of metal
> headgaskets on it for $18 each and use a 1mm copper
> spacer gasket in
> between those.  This brings compression to about
> 8.75:1 and puts your
> total cost in the setup around $600 (supposing that
> you find the 9A at a
> decent price).
> 
> If however you still want to do an ABA 16v drop me a
> note and I'll show
> you how I did it for under $350.  In Fact, if you
> call now I'll even
> send you a nice set of wrist pin clips at no extra
> charge.
> 
> BcH
> 78 MkI Ragtop ABA 16vT boxes of parts
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org] On Behalf
> Of
> > JoshuaA.Conner@VerizonWireless.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 10:53 AM
> > To: optimus234@hotmail.com
> > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: RE: 16V Supercharger setup!
> >
> >
> > If i were doing this i would use an Aba block,
> pistons and
> > crank(which has a ring for crank position already)
> with a 9A
> > intermediate shaft, oil pump and 16V head.  Voila!
> Instant
> > lower compression, chipable factory motronic
> setup.  From the
> > EC article this month, the ABA is a great starting
> point.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin S [mailto:optimus234@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:02 PM
> > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: RE: 16V Supercharger setup!
> >
> >
> > Well what I have heard is the 16v engine already
> runs 10:1
> > compression, so
> > you would have to lower that before putting the
> supercharger
> > on it. I would
> > love that g60 16v engine, have looked at it before
> and
> > thought about it. It
> > is somthing that not a lot of people will have
> either which
> > is kinda nice to
> >
> > show off:D. How much do you think it would cost??
> a good
> > estimate in US
> > dollars would be nice.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Scott F. Williams"
> <sfwilliams@comcast.net>
> > >To: Kevin S <optimus234@hotmail.com>,
> scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > >Subject: RE: 16V Supercharger setup!
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 21:56:45 -0500
> > >
> > >Frankly, I think a turbocharger is a better bet
> for the high-revving
> > >16v motor. The consensus on the G6016v list is
> that the setup's
> > >greatest value is sentimental rather than
> practical. -kinda like my
> > >choice of individual throttlebodies instead of
> turbos. I
> > simply liked
> > >the cool factor more than the actual benefits.
> > >
> > >Go turbo if you want maximum power. Do a
> supercharger if you
> > think it's
> > >cool. -which it is! As for the compression ratio,
> how much power are
> > >you looking to make? If all you want is VR6
> power, you don't
> > even need
> > >boost.
> > >:^)
> > >--
> > >Scott F. Williams
> > >NJ Scirocco nut
> 
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