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H&R G Springs



I'm down bout 2.25" on the front with the coils overs.  350lb springs and
urethane bump stops.  Not a daily driver.  Down about 3 in the rear.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Alexander" <ralexander03@snet.net>
To: "Vince Royer" <vince@performancecarstereo.com>; "Scott F. Williams"
<sfwilliams@comcast.net>; "Allyn" <amalventano1@comcast.net>
Cc: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: H&R G Springs


Rolling Roc is down 1.75" and the control arms are horizontal.

Rick Alexander
http://www.brubakerbox.com
http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Royer" <vince@performancecarstereo.com>
To: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@comcast.net>; "Allyn"
<amalventano1@comcast.net>
Cc: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: H&R G Springs


> That camber plate is exactly what I'm talking about. An inch of drop
without
> changing travel.
>
> How does everyone figure we have exactly 3" of travel?  My car's already
> lowered and I'm measuring at least 4" from rest to bumpstop, with full
> length bumpers in good condition. I know there's not much travel, but 3
> inches seems quite exagerrated.
>
> I think if I use the strut mounts (camber plates), with a nice 1.5" - 2"
> drop on the suspension, I can enjoy a 3" drop without too much headache.
>
> Can anybody answer my question about the A arm angle?  At what suspension
> height is the arm horizontal?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Scott F. Williams
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:16 PM
> To: Vince Royer; Allyn
> Cc: Scirocco List
> Subject: RE: H&R G Springs
>
>
> The point here is not how you eventually get to a 2.5" or 3" drop. The
issue
> at hand is whatever drop you end up with. You can use progressive or
linear
> rates. You can buy the springs that way or cut them. In terms of
suspension
> travel it doesn't matter a bit. Assuming that you maintain the original
> mounting geometry, a 3" drop is a 3" drop no matter how you achieve it.
>
> Slamming the suspension 3" will leave you with NO travel at all. NONE.
ZERO.
> ZIPPO. You will ride on the bumpstops every minute that you drive the car.
> (I'll give you about an hour before you destroy the dampers completely.
> Maybe the chassis will last a month of paranoid driving before you rip the
> strut towers out the front end.) Dropping it 2.5" will leave you with just
> 1/2" compression and droop. Hit a 1/2" high obstacle and you are likely to
> bottom. Install enough spring to keep the suspension from bottoming and
> you'll crash over every imperfection with a bang.
>
> Does this sound like a remotely rational thing to do with your car?
>
> Now... if you install something like this:
>
<http://www.opmmotorsports.com/products/vw/a1chassis/vwa1_opmcamberkit.html>
>
> ...then you'll be able to regain 1" of travel by moving the mounting point
> upwards. I've got one of these installed in my Scirocco which has been
> dropped about an inch. I'd offer you some test drive results, but I have
yet
> to drive the car. :^)
>
> Anyway... I can't recommend dropping the car any more than 1.5" in a
> "normal" configuration. With these plates installed, you can bring the
thing
> down to a very low 2.5". I am unsure, however, whether installing this
> camber plate necessitates the use of coilovers. Call OPM Motorsports about
> that: (770) 886-8199.
> --
> Scott F. Williams
> NJ Scirocco nut
> '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
>
> > Ok, So you had a progressive spring, and the couple hundred extra pounds
> > compressed them through the soft part. So don't you think The
> > hundred pounds
> > I took off of my front end will make a difference?  Not to mention I'm
> > getting linear springs, not progressive. Also not to mention they're A2
> > springs, so they're designed for a lot more weight in the first place.
So
> > this would be like taking 16V springs and putting them on your 8V, only
> > shorter. I know as soon as the A arms angle the other way you
> > start screwing
> > things.  Anybody know exactly how much drop makes them sit horizontal?
> >
> > That's the reason I'm thinking about the taller upper mounts. That would
> > essentially act like a body drop. It would make the body sit lower on
the
> > suspension, without changing anything about the suspension.  The
> > only issue
> > would be tire rub, but I'm only on 15s, and I never plan to go any
bigger.
>
>
>
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