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who's gonna be quicker?: Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc



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the first pic is not oversteer, second is though (lift throttle type). hey, i couldnt wag it too far out there, i was trying to beat rons time!
Al

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Larry 
  To: Allyn ; Josh Able ; Scott F. Williams ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:34 PM
  Subject: Re: who's gonna be quicker?: Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc


  Hey, Al, I hate to tell you...but those are not pictures of a car that is, in any way, even close to being in an oversteering condition......

  Larry
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Allyn 
    To: Josh Able ; Scott F. Williams ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
    Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:59 PM
    Subject: Re: who's gonna be quicker?: Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc


    hey now, whats the matter with wide rear wheels???
    http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/d-cincy-2k%2B2/imagepages/image170.htm
    http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/d-cincy-2k%2B2/imagepages/image171.htm
    see? it still can wag its butt if i want it to :)
    (dont worry, josh, i got your back :)
    Al

    Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
    87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 180k, rocco #6)
    86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
    86.5 Occo 16v Trailer (dotting 'i's across the country, rocco #8)
    87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch, driveshafts, wheels :)

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Josh Able 
      To: Scott F. Williams ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
      Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:50 PM
      Subject: Re: who's gonna be quicker?: Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc


      >Well, with those bigger rear wheels your car isn't optimized for turns, either. And, I *know* you're not shying away from that!

      Im pretty sure I've already stated I would change my wheels if I ever take it out on LimeRock/etc, but for the driving I do the wheels are fine, its not like I built a car to be used as a race car.


      I like to have fun with my car, I have zero interest about dragging it that isn't fun to me. I don't need to prove Im faster, if I wanted that title I would have my car set up for whatever style racing I want to do. Instead I have it built for exactly what style driving I do want it for. :P


      Josh Able

      "If you're already walking on thin ice, you might as well dance." -Gil Atkinson 

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Scott F. Williams 
        To: Josh Able ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
        Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:31 PM
        Subject: RE: who's gonna be quicker?: Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc


        Well, with those bigger rear wheels your car isn't optimized for turns, either. And, I *know* you're not shying away from that! Well regardless, what's wrong with your 1st gear? What spec transmission are you running? FYI, I'm expecting to launch in 2nd gear, myself. With those tree stump-pulling 4.25 ring & pinion gears my car should also be at a definite disadvantage at the strip.

        Just get out there to see what you can do regardlss of how competitive you are! There's always going to be somebody out there who can hand you your arse, right? I just ran my first drag race on Friday night (16.091 in the Subaru) and got spanked each and every time. Well, that's my perspective, anyway. Ish all good...

        P.S. Through my rally connections in Ireland I can bring in genuine VW Motorsports 16v gear sets. Maybe you need a taller 1st and 2nd? Just say the word and I can arrange it for ya. (That offer is extended to anybody else, too.)
        --
        Scott F. Williams
        NJ Scirocco nut
        '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
        Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
        Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
        ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted." 
          -----Original Message-----
          From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Josh Able
          Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:16 PM
          To: Scott F. Williams; UrGTI@aol.com; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
          Subject: Re: who's gonna be quicker?: Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc


          wasn't built for drags, hell I don't have a 1st gear that is worth a hoot, all I use it for (and this is the way I like it) is to get to 2nd.

          any grandmother in a yugo can take me off the line.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the first pic is not oversteer, second is though 
(lift throttle type). hey, i couldnt wag it too far out there, i was trying to 
beat rons time!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Al</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=rocco16v@netzero.com href="mailto:rocco16v@netzero.com";>Larry</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=amalventano1@comcast.net 
  href="mailto:amalventano1@comcast.net";>Allyn</A> ; <A title=mkii@nycap.rr.com 
  href="mailto:mkii@nycap.rr.com";>Josh Able</A> ; <A 
  title=sfwilliams@comcast.net href="mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net";>Scott F. 
  Williams</A> ; <A title=scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
  href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:34 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: who's gonna be quicker?: 
  Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hey, Al, I hate to tell you...but those are not 
  pictures of a car that is, in any way, even close to being in an oversteering 
  condition......</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A title=amalventano1@comcast.net 
    href="mailto:amalventano1@comcast.net";>Allyn</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mkii@nycap.rr.com 
    href="mailto:mkii@nycap.rr.com";>Josh Able</A> ; <A 
    title=sfwilliams@comcast.net href="mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net";>Scott F. 
    Williams</A> ; <A title=scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
    href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:59 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: who's gonna be quicker?: 
    Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hey now, whats the matter with wide rear 
    wheels???</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
    href="http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/d-cincy-2k%2B2/imagepages/image170.htm";>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/d-cincy-2k%2B2/imagepages/image170.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A 
    href="http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/d-cincy-2k%2B2/imagepages/image171.htm";>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/d-cincy-2k%2B2/imagepages/image171.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>see? it still can wag its butt if i want it to 
    :)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(dont worry, josh, i got your back 
    :)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Al</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN<BR>87 Rieger GTO 
    Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 180k, rocco #6)<BR>86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo 
    Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)<BR>86.5 Occo 16v Trailer (dotting 
    'i's across the country, rocco #8)<BR>87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily 
    driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch, driveshafts, wheels 
    :)<BR></FONT></DIV>
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      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
      <DIV 
      style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
      <A title=mkii@nycap.rr.com href="mailto:mkii@nycap.rr.com";>Josh Able</A> 
      </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sfwilliams@comcast.net 
      href="mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net";>Scott F. Williams</A> ; <A 
      title=scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
      href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:50 
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: who's gonna be quicker?: 
      Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>&gt;</STRONG><SPAN 
      class=800551723-04082002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Well, with 
      those bigger rear wheels your car isn't optimized for turns, either. And, 
      I *know* you're not shying away from that!</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
      class=800551723-04082002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
      class=800551723-04082002>Im pretty sure I've already stated I would change 
      my wheels if I ever take it out on LimeRock/etc, but for the driving I do 
      the wheels are fine, its not like I built a car to be used as a race 
      car.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
      class=800551723-04082002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
      class=800551723-04082002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
      class=800551723-04082002>I like to have fun with my car, I have zero 
      interest about dragging it that isn't fun to me. I don't need to prove Im 
      faster, if I wanted that title I would have my car set up for whatever 
      style racing I want to do. Instead I have it built for exactly what style 
      driving I do want it for. :P</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
      class=800551723-04082002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
      class=800551723-04082002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Josh Able</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>"If you're already walking on thin ice, you might as well dance." 
      -Gil Atkinson <BR></DIV>
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        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
        <DIV 
        style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
        <A title=sfwilliams@comcast.net 
        href="mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net";>Scott F. Williams</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mkii@nycap.rr.com 
        href="mailto:mkii@nycap.rr.com";>Josh Able</A> ; <A 
        title=scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
        href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:31 
        PM</DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: who's gonna be 
        quicker?: Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=800551723-04082002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
        size=2>Well, with those bigger rear wheels your car isn't optimized for 
        turns, either. And, I *know* you're not shying away from that! Well 
        regardless, what's wrong with your 1st gear? What spec transmission are 
        you running?&nbsp;FYI, I'm expecting to launch in 2nd gear, myself. With 
        those tree stump-pulling 4.25 ring &amp; pinion gears my car should also 
        be at a definite disadvantage at the strip.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=800551723-04082002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
        size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=800551723-04082002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
        size=2>Just get out there to see what you can do regardlss of how 
        competitive you are! There's always going to be somebody out there who 
        can hand you your arse, right? I just ran my first drag race on Friday 
        night (16.091 in the Subaru) and got spanked each and every time. Well, 
        that's my perspective, anyway. Ish all good...</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=800551723-04082002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
        size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=800551723-04082002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
        size=2>P.S. Through my rally connections in Ireland I can bring in 
        genuine VW Motorsports 16v gear sets. Maybe you need a taller 1st and 
        2nd? Just say the word and I can arrange it for ya. (That offer is 
        extended to anybody else, too.)<BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT 
        size=2>--<BR>Scott F. Williams<BR>NJ Scirocco nut<BR>'99 Subaru Impreza 
        2.5 RS<BR>Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle<BR>Golf GTI 16v 
        "rollycar"<BR>ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."</FONT> </DIV>
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          <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
          size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
          scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org 
          [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Josh 
          Able<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 04, 2002 7:16 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
          Scott F. Williams; UrGTI@aol.com; 
          scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: who's gonna be 
          quicker?: Horney Devil vs Monster Rocc<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
          <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>wasn't built for drags, hell I don't have a 
          1st gear that is worth a hoot, all I use it for (and this is the way I 
          like it) is to get to 2nd.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
          <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=2>any grandmother in a yugo can take me off 
          the 
  line.</FONT></STRONG></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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