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RE: Was lug bolts, now US vs. German engineering
Well theres Seat for starters who as we all know are a
subsidiary of VW but they share parts and not a lot
else
Andy
--- "Fry, Larry" <LEF@chem-tronics.com> wrote: > I
didn't know there are Spanish manufacturers.
> (like the Bultaco's, OSSA's,
> or Montessa's were?) Or, are these known European
> makes that are just
> assembled in Spain?
>
> Larry sandiego16V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Holmes [mailto:sciroccoinj@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:05 AM
> To: Fry, Larry; Cheapass Ron; Chris DeLong;
> rabbit16v@prodigy.net;
> scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: RE: Was lug bolts, now US vs. German
> engineering
>
>
> Tell me about it - I've owned a few, and some
> Italian,
> and some French, and some Spanish, and some German.
> Never had an American car so no comment on their
> quality. Could give you some insights on the above
> lot
> though ;-)
> Never had a Japanese car, or any of the budget Asian
> or Eastern European makes.
>
> As a generalisation based on the cars i've owned.
>
> British - mechanically strong, poor ancillaries,
> poor
> design, iffy build, poor rust resistance, good
> interiors, generallly good road manners.
>
> Italian - Rust Rust Rust and bad electrics.
> Mechanically superb
>
> French - Mechanically unburstable, superb road
> manners, amazing suspension, very poor interiors,
> cheap materials.
>
> Spanish - Good budget allrounders with no real weak
> points. Stylish
>
> German - mechanically excellent, well made, good
> materials, good rust prevention, expensive to run
> when
> they do break down, safe and sure.
>
> IMHO
>
> Andy
>
>
> --- "Fry, Larry" <LEF@chem-tronics.com> wrote: >
> Andy-
> > ..and you should be!!!!! :)
> >
> > Larry sandiego16V
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andy Holmes [mailto:sciroccoinj@yahoo.co.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:52 AM
> > To: Cheapass Ron; Chris DeLong; Fry, Larry;
> > rabbit16v@prodigy.net;
> > scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: Was lug bolts, now US vs. German
> > engineering
> >
> >
> > I'm soo glad British cars arnt in this discussion.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > --- Cheapass Ron <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote: >
> (big
> > breath)
> > >
> > > Wow, that's a loaded statement. But this is a
> > > discussion group and
> > > this *is* discussion, after all...
> > >
> > > I both agree and disagree. Certainly your
> > statement
> > > holds true for
> > > BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes vs. The Big Three.
> No
> > > argument there
> > > whatsoever.
> > >
> > > But we deal with Volkswagens. These are
> > > mass-market, economy cars.
> > > Cheap cars, even. Much as we love them,
> including
> > > me, let us recall
> > > what we deal with.
> > >
> > > We complain about shaky transmissions, A/C that
> > > never works, bad
> > > electrical systems, rattles, shakes, crappy
> shift
> > > linkages, cracking
> > > unibodies (front engine/tranny mount, a-arms,
> > strut
> > > towers). Failed
> > > heater motor resistors. Cracked exhaust
> > manifolds.
> > > Horribly
> > > underdesigned engine mounts (on the A1's...but
> has
> > > this truly been
> > > fixed yet?). Odometers that often don't work
> > after
> > > maybe 100,000
> > > miles. Face it: these are NOT cars for those
> who
> > > aren't mechanically
> > > inclined, 13+ years old or not. You want to do
> > > nothing to your car but
> > > change oil and tires and add gas? Get a Toyota
> > > (yawwwnn). Yes, the
> > > bottom ends of our engines are fantastic. As
> are
> > > the FI systems, if
> > > you don't fuck with them. But what about the
> > > incredible Chevy small
> > > block? Their straight six? The Turbohydramatic
> > > 350, or god forbid,
> > > the TH400? Supremely good stuff.
> > >
> > > I've owned several American cars. They have
> their
> > > pluses and minuses.
> > > My little '92 Saturn SL2 was the best car
> amongst
> > > the lot, hands down.
> > > In may ways it reminded me of a VW in its
> > simplicity
> > > of design. My
> > > S10, well, I bitched about it, but it ran and
> ran
> > > and ran. As did our
> > > Explorer (yes, an SUV, we can argue that in a
> > > different thread). Our
> > > Chylsler T&C minivan, well, sucks.
> > >
> > > My final analysis: German engineering can be
> > > superb. It can also be
> > > merely adequate, as is the case with our VW's.
> > > Frankly, the same goes
> > > for American auto engineering. Both examples
> aim
> > at
> > > a broad-market,
> > > "value" offering...neither is going to give you
> an
> > > overdesigned system.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sure we'll discuss this more...
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Chris DeLong <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > No offense Ron but comparing American car
> > > engineering to German
> > > > engineering
> > > > is like comparing steaming pile of shit to a
> > > freshly mowed lawn
> > > > (minus the
> > > > shit part) ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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