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Re: Was lug bolts, now US vs. German engineering



I'm soo glad British cars arnt in this discussion.

Andy

 --- Cheapass Ron <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote: > (big
breath)
> 
> Wow, that's a loaded statement.  But this is a
> discussion group and
> this *is* discussion, after all...
> 
> I both agree and disagree.  Certainly your statement
> holds true for
> BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes vs. The Big Three.  No
> argument there
> whatsoever.
> 
> But we deal with Volkswagens.  These are
> mass-market, economy cars. 
> Cheap cars, even.  Much as we love them, including
> me, let us recall
> what we deal with.  
> 
> We complain about shaky transmissions, A/C that
> never works, bad
> electrical systems, rattles, shakes, crappy shift
> linkages, cracking
> unibodies (front engine/tranny mount, a-arms, strut
> towers).  Failed
> heater motor resistors.  Cracked exhaust manifolds. 
> Horribly
> underdesigned engine mounts (on the A1's...but has
> this truly been
> fixed yet?).  Odometers that often don't work after
> maybe 100,000
> miles.  Face it: these are NOT cars for those who
> aren't mechanically
> inclined, 13+ years old or not.  You want to do
> nothing to your car but
> change oil and tires and add gas?  Get a Toyota
> (yawwwnn).  Yes, the
> bottom ends of our engines are fantastic.  As are
> the FI systems, if
> you don't fuck with them.  But what about the
> incredible Chevy small
> block?  Their straight six?  The Turbohydramatic
> 350, or god forbid,
> the TH400?  Supremely good stuff.  
> 
> I've owned several American cars.  They have their
> pluses and minuses. 
> My little '92 Saturn SL2 was the best car amongst
> the lot, hands down. 
> In may ways it reminded me of a VW in its simplicity
> of design.  My
> S10, well, I bitched about it, but it ran and ran
> and ran.  As did our
> Explorer (yes, an SUV, we can argue that in a
> different thread).  Our
> Chylsler T&C minivan, well, sucks.
> 
> My final analysis:  German engineering can be
> superb.  It can also be
> merely adequate, as is the case with our VW's. 
> Frankly, the same goes
> for American auto engineering.  Both examples aim at
> a broad-market,
> "value" offering...neither is going to give you an
> overdesigned system.
>  
> 
> I'm sure we'll discuss this more...
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> --- Chris DeLong <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > No offense Ron but comparing American car
> engineering to German
> > engineering 
> > is like comparing steaming pile of shit to a
> freshly mowed lawn
> > (minus the 
> > shit part) ;-)
> 
> 
> 
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Andy Holmes

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