Re: front swaybars vs SHINE

["Randy B" <sirocco@telocity.com>]

He he he....this subject again :)

Josh,
Ok it is not which is better, it is a personal thing, it is which setup you
are the most comfortable with or as Christian said "the one that makes [you
and]  your car faster"
Some people like cars with a lot of oversteer (backend can be easily brought
around with off-throttle/brakes) - can be dangerous on the street.
Some like understeer (front end will push with off-throttle/brakes) - can
also be dangerous due to loss of steering control.
Personally I have been trying to find a setup that is between neutral and
slight oversteer, this would be the fastest way through a corner for *ME*.

I am currently running 25mmR and 0mmF (no front bar). I have too much
oversteer for both street and track now (going to instal 19mm OEM GTI front
bar or possibly 22mm Neuspeed front bar).
I have spun the car a couple times due to wet/dirty pavement or slower cars
in corners.
I can also drift the backend of the car at low corner speeds fairly easily.

Just keep in mind:
If the car was dead neutral with your "Butt Dyno" (Copyright TBerk*)
Increase the size of the front bar keeping the rear the same = more
understeer
Increase the size of the rear bar keeping the front the same = more
oversteer
Decrease....etc....vice-versa.

Using this info, figure out what your driving style is (under/oversteer) and
play with bars and sizes until you get it where you want it.

HTH

Randy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Els" <tiAn@usiw.net>
To: "Josh[deady]Able" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: front swaybars vs SHINE


> To paraphrase the dialogue of this same debate from the VW autoX list, the
> right setup is the one that makes your car faster. Of the top VW drivers
in
> the Solo2 world, they are about evenly split regarding which is 'best'.
>
> All agree that for a car you also have to drive on the street, the spring
> rates you need to make the Shine theory work correctly will kill you - use
a
> BFB and adapt....
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Christian Els
> 87 16V
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Josh[deady]Able" <mkii@nycap.rr.com>
> To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Thursday, 07 June, 2001 10:38
> Subject: front swaybars vs SHINE
>
>
> > Ok, I just want to get your views.
> > Shine claims that no front sway bar, or at the very least only a stock
> sway
> > bar should be used in an A1 car.
> > Personally from my own, and other peoples experiences, think Shine is on
> > crack.
> > What are your views?
> >
> > Josh Able
> > 87 16v Seidl
> >
> >
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