Re: scirocco.org club, list etiquette, etc --replied to wrongpo st a sec ago..:p

[mike <rept@qwest.net>]

 AHA!  a good point.   I would suggest that
initial memberships be free for 30 days to show
the benefits of the list to new interests.

"Griffin, Robert" wrote:
> 
> Donations accepted by paypal seems like the absolute best idea to me. Also
> small stickers and such that can be used as a tiny life support for the list
> sound good. Excluding anyone for any reason sounds wrong. had I not already
> experienced the knowledge and comraderie of this list, I probably wouldn't
> have joined if a fee were required. How would I have known what the list
> contained? Maybe occasional donation drives or something. You could even
> have the scirocco list email address in paypal for us to send payment to
> whenever we have the cash. Like, when you were about to spend 150 bux and
> someone on the list saves your ass and you get away with paying 50 bux, you
> could send 5 bux into here. Kind of an honor system that sets no fee or
> amount, but trusts you will do the right thing. We own rocs! We're honest
> and have great pride. Maybe we could try it?
> 
> Bobby Griffin
> Microsoft Flunky
> ext. 58737 opt. 9
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Rogowski [mailto:bgr13@mn.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 5:07 AM
> To: rept@qwest.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: scirocco.org club, list etiquette, etc
> 
> > Ongoing costs could be fullfilled via club
> > merchandise  sales.  But there will be a need for
> > some startup capital beyond servers and programs.
> 
> First, a club CANNOT depend on merchandise sales to support itself.  If
> Volksport did that we'd be very poor indeed.  It certainly helps, but it
> still cost $20 a year to be a member.  Second, what would we need startup
> capital for.  What are we starting?  The club idea is nice, but
> realistically, the jump to an organized international VW from where we are
> now is enormous.  Volksport has been in existence since '97.  In that time,
> we've tried to have satellite chapters, and it is a very hard thing to do.
> Currently we are talking with our Wisconsin chapter(the next state over from
> our home state of Minnesota).  They want to separate from the main chapter
> because they feel left out, among other reasons.
> 
> > > > So, to solve the above problems, I've been working on a solution. On a
> > > > small personal budget, I have secured a decent bit of hardware and
> > > > bandwidth.  This is for moving the web site and the mailing list back
> > > > onto the same machine, and under the relatively steady control of
> > > > myself.  I still need a couple of things to make it all happen,
> > > > but I am working on it.  (As a quick aside, please don't suggest
> 
> > > > It is important to note that some of the solutions that I'm having
> > > > to come up with are limited due to the fact that I am putting my
> > > > own money into securing the machine, routers, bandwidth, and drives.
> > > > So, the concept of a member supported infrastructure really intrigues
> > > > me...as I could be online far more quickly with a better service if I
> > > > had a budget to work with...we should talk more about this.  Fixed IP
> > > > is really where it's at, but it's expensive, for instance.
> > > > We could take this offline if someone would like...
> 
> I definitely support some sort of collection plan to help with the above
> aspect of the club.  Anything to make the current state of Scirocco.org
> better, faster and easier to use.  I don't know what the best way to do this
> is, but I don't feel that orgainizing into a typical club is the right way
> to go about it.  I think a typical club is an unwieldy, lumbering beast and
> we have a unique oportuninty as a strictly online club to do things
> differently.
> 
> > > > Basically I have a great interest in seeing a high quality online
> > > > scirocco community, and will do what I can to make it happen.
> 
> Thanks Brett.  Without the website, none of us would be here in the first
> place.
> 
> Ben R
> '79 Scirocco 1.8 16V, almost has suspension
> '86.5 Quantum Syncro Wagon
> '00 Suzuki SV650
> 
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