RE: California front plates - yikes!

[Neal Tovsen <ntovsen@piper.hamline.edu>]

Fortunately, in Minnesota, it isn't yet legal for tickets to be issued
without a live-in-person officer who saw the infraction first-hand.
They're talking about it though...


Neal

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Brian Honnold wrote:

> Ummmmm,
> 
> All the cameras installed here in Sacramento county are automated, if the
> light turns red, the camera is tripped by a motion sensing device.  One
> camera takes a picture of the driver and front plate and another other the
> rear plate.
> 
> Which leaves a lot of skepticism for the program as a whole because of the
> lack of front plates and the fact that the Owner of the car recieves a
> ticket.......not the driver.
> 
> There is no cop in a little room "watching" the 10 intersections that are
> currently on the test program for this system.  I imagine that they have
> some clerk reviewing pictures at the end of the day with a magnifying glass.
> 
> There are HUGE signs at all the test intesection stating that it is
> controlled by the cameras....right next to the sign that states that it is
> now a $250 offense to run a red light.
> 
> You might not see a cop, but you would have to be blind not to see the signs
> or notice that camera on top of the red light.
> 
> Brian Honnold
> '78 Ragtop (No plate, lotsa tickets, no cop ever mentioned it)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Majordomo [mailto:majord@neubayern.net]On Behalf Of Brad Sheridan
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 11:59 AM
> > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: California front plates - yikes!
> >
> >
> > At 01:33 PM 10/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > >I haven't been following most of this thread, so forgive me if I'm
> > >missing something, but I just had to get this out there:
> > >
> > >Anybody read _1984_ yet? If you haven't, you should. Turns out that it
> > >probably should have been titled 2014, but it is definitely happening. My
> > >life is already run by computers and people I never see and will never
> > >meet. Making it legal for computers or remote operators to hand out
> > >traffic tickits when no human is present on the scene is rather
> > >disturbing to me. At what point will we be stripped of any sense of
> > >responsibility to "do the right thing" because it *is* the right thing,
> > >not because every "improper" action will immediately result in
> > punishment
> > >by some computer or person with near-omnipotency.
> >
> > Uh, much of society already lacks the capability to do the right thing
> > because it is the right thing. Or do I just have an extremely
> > negative view
> > of people? :)
> >
> >    If the driver decides not to run a light because a cop is there, he is
> > not doing the right thing because it is the right thing to do,
> > hes doing it
> > because he doesn't want to get punished. Whether its a live cop, or one at
> > a desk a few miles away, its a fear of punishment that keeps the driver
> > from breaking the law, and endangering lives. Are you saying we should get
> > rid of police, as they take away our responsiblity to do the right thing
> > because it is the right thing? All the cameras do is make one cop able to
> > watch alot of intersections, as opposed to just sitting and
> > waiting at one.
> > Either with the cop or the camera, you are being watched.
> >
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
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			Neal Tovsen


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