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RE: is it dead? was(Roc with 84 GTI engine wont turn over)

To: "'Brian Honnold'" <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>, "scirocco-l" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>, "William Yeckel (Volt Computer)" <a-willy@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: is it dead? was(Roc with 84 GTI engine wont turn over)
From: Jonas Karlsson <jkarlsso@metabolex.com>
Date: 11 Aug 99 15:08:42 +0100
Reply-To: Jonas Karlsson <jkarlsso@metabolex.com>
Sender: Majordomo <majord@neubayern.net>
Whoah!!

Don't ever turn the engine by the cam sprocket bolt. This can stretch the 
timing belt and shorten it's life. To turn the crankshaft, use the 
crankshaft bolt down by the belts.  It's 19mm. 

BTW, a quarter turn of the cam = half turn of the crank. It's concievable 
one of your rods is bent and hitting the side of the cylinder. 

Sorry, no more help,

Jonas
85 Scirocco


William Yeckel (Volt Computer) wrote:
>Yes positive.  I even had someone step on the clutch while I 
>tried to turn
>it.  I had a wrench on the cam bolt(I think), and it will turn 
>about a
>quarter turn in both directions.  I havn't taken off the timing 
>belt or any
>other belts yet. I'll give that a shot.
>
>Thanks
>
>-Bill
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Honnold [mailto:bhonnold@pac-cap.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:04 PM
>To: scirocco-l
>Subject: RE: is it dead? was(Roc with 84 GTI engine wont turn 
>over)
>
>
>Ok Ok,
>I'll try for real.
>Your sure it out of gear???  (couldn't resist)
>
>When you turned the motor, how far did it turn before it when 
>"wham"....and 
>can you turn it back the other way at all.
>
>Did you take the timing belt and all the other belts off the 
>motor yet? 
> Any of the Alt, A/C compressor, timing belt associated things 
>can cause 
>enough resistance to make it hard or impossible to turn the motor 
>by hand.
>
>Why just yesterday here in the shop we had a quantum that was all 
>bound up 
>in a similar fashion due to a roasted A/C compressor clutch.
>
>Brian Honnold
>'78 Rocco Ragtop
>'99 Passat GLX
>
>On Wednesday, August 11, 1999 1:19 PM, William Yeckel (Volt 
>Computer) 
>[SMTP:a-willy@microsoft.com] wrote:
>> :-] Don't quit you day job.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian Honnold [mailto:bhonnold@pac-cap.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 12:44 PM
>> To: scirocco-l
>> Subject: RE: is it dead? was(Roc with 84 GTI engine wont turn 
>over)
>>
>>
>> Take it out of gear :-0
>>
>> Brian Honnold
>> '78 Rocco Ragtop
>> '99 Passat GLX
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 11, 1999 11:11 AM, William Yeckel (Volt 
>Computer)
>> [SMTP:a-willy@microsoft.com] wrote:
>> > Hey people I have never had to deal with a blown engine 
>before, but I
>> think
>> > I may have one now.  I took out the plugs, to avoid 
>compression and 
>then
>> > tried to turn the engine by hand, and it will turned a little 
>then 
>"wham"
>> it
>> > stops cold.  So I took off the starter thinking in some wierd 
>way that 
>was
>> > locking up the engine, and tried a hand turn again.  Nothin'.  
>So I 
>took
>> off
>> > the valve cover to see if I could see anything wrong, nah.  
>So 
>something
>> is
>> > not turning deeper inside the engine.  Is this #%@$%? thing 
>toast???
>> >
>> > -Bill
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jonas Karlsson [mailto:jkarlsso@metabolex.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 7:47 AM
>> > To: scirocco-l; William Yeckel (Volt Computer)
>> > Subject: RE: Roc with 84 GTI engine wont turn over
>> >
>> >
>> > The click is the solenoid engaging,
>> >
>> > The fact that the engine turns with a wrench but not when the 
>solenoid
>> > engages means that there is a problem with the started. One 
>of 2 things 
>> > that I can think of.
>> >
>> > 1. It is dead
>> > 2. Not enough juice is getting to it. Check the connections 
>for
>> > corrosion. Even though your battery is good, the juice might 
>not be
>> > getting to the starter.
>> >
>> > I would bet on a dead starter.
>> >
>> > Jonas
>> > 85 Scirocco
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > bill yeckel wrote:
>> > >Hello people I have been reading this list for a while, but 
>now I
>> > >need some
>> > >advice.  I recently acquired a 79 scirocco with a 84 GTI 
>1.8L
>> > >engine in it.
>> > >And the thing wont turn over.  Here is what I have found so 
>far.
>> > >
>> > >-The battery is fine(tested at 13v)
>> > >-The engine is not frozen from rust, turned it with a 
>wrench(this
>> > >is what I
>> > >suspected because the car has been sitting outside in the 
>Seattle
>> > >rain for a
>> > >year and a half.  With out being run.)
>> > >-When I turn the car over it make a click and then a chunk 
>sound
>> > >like its
>> > >stuck.
>> > >
>> > >So I guess what I'm wondering is doesn't this sound like a
>> > >starter
>> > >problem???  Or is it timing?  Or...I was hoping someone 
>might
>> > >have some more
>> > >info before I going digging into it even deeper.
>> > >
>> > >Thanks
>> > >
>> > >-Bill
>> > >
>> > >79 scirocco (still recovering from neglect)
>> > >
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