RE: HOR's suck!!! and you pay for it)->Was "don't suck"

["Neal Tovsen" <ntovsen@piper.hamline.edu>]

Don't do the Spax!!

This has gone 'round on the list a few times, and a number of complaints
have been made about Spax, especially about the shocks, but I've heard a few
bad things about the springs, too. I just met a guy last week who has a '98
GTI that had Spax shocks and springs. He already replaced the shocks 'cause
they were so bad (remember, the whole car is only a year old!). He wants to
replace the springs, too.

A lot of people that I've talked to (Including Mike Potter and the local
watercooled club here in Minneapolis) seem to prefer Neuspeed or H&R. There
are probably other good brands out there, but I just ordered a set of H&Rs
from the Potterman.

Anyone have experience with Eibach? A local Firestone dealer recommended
them with Koni shocks. I know that some of their racing application stuff is
real good, but haven't heard anything from street VW people like most of
us...

Neal

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Majordomo [mailto:majord@neubayern.net]On Behalf Of James G.
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 1:34 PM
> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: HOR's suck!!! and you pay for it)->Was "don't suck"
>
>
>
> Adding my thoughts:  They suck for long term applications
> (like 2+years)
>
> I'm looking at replacing the Hor springs with Neuspeed or Spax.  The
> fronts are sagging, and getting lower.  Plus, my upper strut
> bearings are
> shot even though they're the HD ones.
> -James
>
> On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Kathy Teulie wrote:
>
> > Please add to this list if you think HOR's are good or bad.
> > Thanks
> > Doug.
> >
> > ***********************
> > Sure is, you're car then rides like a Civic with cut
> springs and stock
> > shocks! ;)
> >
> > -Jason Kendall
> > " HOR's suck!!! "
> > **************
> > --- Jason Kendall <jasonk@widomaker.com> wrote:
> > > <snip> Finally the spring rate just disappeared, and
> ruined both struts.
> >
> > That's a bad thing, right? :)
> > Matthew Yip
> > " HOR's suck!!! "
> > *****************
> > Message text written by Matthew Yip
> > HOR Tech springs will work fine for a few months - check
> back in a year
> > when
> > your front end is sagging...
> >
> > Matthew Yip
> > mgyip@yahoo.com
> > " HOR's suck!!! "
> > ***********************
> > Message text written by Jason Kendall
> >
> > My friends Rabbit GTI had Hor's.  After 2 years of use, all
> of the coils
> > had
> > flat spots on them from smacking each other.  Then where
> the flat spots
> > were, they started rusting, baddly.  Finally the spring rate just
> > disappeared, and ruined both struts.
> >
> > -Jason Kendall
> > " HOR's suck!!! "
> > ****************************
> > Message text written by -alan
> >
> > ummm... i personally know of someone who has had these
> springs for quite
> > some
> > time.. they are not sagging.. perhaps someone got a bad one
> somewhere down
> > the line. i'll admit they are low, but is that really a bad
> thing? i really
> >
> > like my set-up. they work great with the bilstein sports. :)
> >
> > -alan
> > " HOR's don't suck!!! "
> > ***********************************
> > Message text written by Doug Teulie
> >
> > (From Pete) ---> "I don't know what you are talking about"
> >
> > Just go for a drive, sit back  and relax.
> > MMMM SLAM MMMMMMMMMM  SLAM MMMMMMMM
> > MMMMMMMMMMMM SLAM MMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
> >
> > Yes they do drive OK but then they sag and get  flat spots.
> If you drive a
> > car
> > like yours with Neuspeed springs or H&R,s you will see why
> > the HOR's suck. I have them on my 16v  with the bilstein
> sports and I know
> > how bad
> > the springs are. I am not getting new springs soon but If I
> had the money
> > I would get better springs. I hope that some of the list
> folks see this
> > message
> > and don't get stuck with the HOR trash springs.
> > "IMHO"
> > Doug
> > " HOR's suck!!! "
> > ***********************************
> > Message text written by Pete
> >
> > I dont know what you are talking about, I have HORs on my
> 16v, w/ 15x7
> > wheels (195-50-15) And the setup kicks ass.  I love them,
> They handle
> > great, look good (I admit, they are low) And were a good price.
> >
> > Pete
> > " HOR's don't suck!!! "
> > ****************************************
> > Message text written by Kathy Teulie
> > >I drove a car set up like yours and it did drive OK.
> > You need a good tire size. Now if it were me
> > I would go for the 15x6 or 15x6.5 rims too. I think 16's
> > are too big! If you change rims your problem will
> > still be there. You need to ditch the HOR springs.
> > HOR springs are not good on 16v's. I am not sure
> > if they work on 8v's but I know that they do not work
> > on 16v's. The spring is too soft and too low.
> > I have H&R on my MK1 and they are much better
> > then the HOR's on my 16v. HOR's suck!!! and you
> > pay for it because you need a real spring to replace them.
> > Did you get them at Autotech? Next time call Mike Potter.
> > He will not push junk like HOR's on you. Your shocks or OK.
> > I had a set of them on my MK1. Not bad. But KONI is the best.
> > IMHO
> > Doug.
> > " HOR's suck!!! "
> > *******************************************
> > Message text written by Kevin Collins
> > >Michael Leach wrote:
> >
> > > I really need a little help. I have an 87 16v with boge turbo gas
> > > shocks and hor springs  .......   but doesnt everybody
> who does not
> > > have the money for he really good ones....anyway as I was saying I
> > > recently purchased 16x7.5 Borbet rims with 205-45-16
> tires and I am
> > > getting rubbing in the front on some bumps I just need a
> little more
> > > clearance.  Any CHEAP ideas to get about half an inch
> higher....there
> > > are plenty of expensive ones......  Thanks and just to
> let everyone
> > > know only on the list for 2 weeks and heading to Cincy
> the Rochester
> > > contingent is growing!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Just my opinion.. but 16x7.6s on a 'rocco are just plain
> too big.  Plus
> > you're hauling around a LOT of extra unsprung weight - not good for
> > performance at all.
> >
> > Maybe you could swap for some 15x6.5s of some sort?  This
> would solve
> > your problem, though it may or may not be cheap...
> >
> >
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