Re: Wheels vs.power, now Toyos suck

["Alex Ting" <alex@millenniumsolutions.net>]

well,

I have to disagree about the Nittos.  I have the
NT-450 (195-50-vr15) and have been really happy
with them.  Certainly, they are not the best tire out there,
but price ($70 ea) versus performance is good.
I have had alot of experience with different tires ranging
from the Euro TA's (CRAP) to the Pirelli P7s (GODLY).

The Nittos are pretty predictable and give good feedback
without being obnoxious.  They will inform you when
you are nearing the limit, without surprise breakaways.
Not as good as say, Michelin Pilots or Dunlop SP8000s,
but not bad at all.

BTW, my buddy was running Toyo Proxes (205-40-zr17s)
on his GS-R, and they appeared to be an excellent tire
with good wear characteristics.

Just my two cents, humble opinion, etc.......


Alex Ting
Account Manager
Millennium Solutions Group, Inc.
8303 Sierra College Blvd., Ste. 150
Granite Bay, CA 95746

Phone: 888-801-2001 or 916-797-9998
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Email: alex@millenniumsolutions.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Riley McDowall <mcm@intergate.bc.ca>
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 3:51 PM
Subject: Wheels vs.power, now Toyos suck


>At 12:02 pm -0800 1/12/98, dale witt wrote:
>>I found it interesting that you are happy with your FZ-4s.  I put a set of
>>205/45/16s on my 2.0 and as
>>much as I like the looks of the wheel/tire combo......IMHO they are the
>>absolute worse handling on dry
>>surfaces.  They break loose much too easy.  I bought them because of price
>>and should have known
>>better.  They have a treadwear of about 300 and probially will last longer
>>than I want them to.  I have a
>
>Bingo.  I had the same tires, in the same size, and I agree 100%.  The Euro
>TAs I ended up with later gave me considerably more dry grip, and the TAs
>are almost universally despised.  I took the FZ4s to the track once, and
>everybody kept telling me I needed to bump the pressure up; what they
>didn't know was that they were already at 48-50lbs.  When they heated up
>they got greasy.  What was even worse, those FZ4s complained LOUDLY going
>around corners.  Stay away from them, and for good measure you should
>probably stay away from the Nittos that sit at the same price point and
>have virtually the same tread pattern.  Since Nitto and Toyo are
>essentially the same company, I have a feeling the two tires will be the
>same.  Just IME of course...
>
>
>
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