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scirocco-l-digest           Friday, 7 March 1997        Volume 01 : Number 150

------------------  SUBJECTS FROM TODAY'S DIGEST  -------------------
Fwd: Weekend repairs
Help with FI troubles
Re: your mail
Red Scirocco 16v spotted in NJ
Re: woofer
Air box to throttle body 
Re: Air box to throttle body 
Re: Help with FI troubles
looking for a dash....
Re: VW Special tools
Re: VW Special tools
Re: Help with FI troubles
Re: G-grind in DSP? <Judgement day>
Re: G grind in DSP? <the real story>
Re: Help with FI troubles
Re: woofer
looking for a dash....
Re: woofer
'81 scirocco troubleshooting
Exhaust problems, help!
RE: Exhaust problems, help!
TEST
Re: '81 scirocco troubleshooting
Re: Air box to throttle body 
questions
Re: Help with FI troubles
Re: '81 scirocco troubleshooting
Re: questions

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From: SailingFC@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 01:11:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fwd: Weekend repairs

>In a message dated 97-03-02 23:33:31 EST, Vw16valve@aol.com >writes:

><< Subj:	Re: Weekend repairs
> Date:	97-03-02 23:33:31 EST
> From:	Vw16valve@aol.com
> Sender:	owner-scirocco-l@mantis.privatei.com
> To:	CC938999@eng.cabot.nf.ca
> CC:	scirocco-l@privatei.com
 
> You wrote:
> Hey there,   I am wondering how hard it was to get the shiftrod loose
> where it connects to the linkage ( engine compartment)
> I live in an area where they use salt in the winter and this looks like a 
> real trouble spot for me
 
> Dave
 
> Well first, take a scratch awl or something sharp and mark a place >where
the
> shift rod meets the selector lever.  That way, you'll always know where
>you
> started from.  Then take the round bottom plastic cover from the boot >that
> protects the gearshift lever where it joins the shift rod (really greasy),
> and look up inside it.  With the car in neutral, the space between the
>very
> bottom end of the shift lever (the gearshift) and the solid piece right
next
> to it (reverse lockout) should measure 15mm.  If it doesn't, proceed with
> adjustment.  loosen the clamp at the other end of the shift rod (forward,
> toward the engine), take out the bolt, pry open the clamp a little, and
with
> a small hammer & screwdriver, tap the selector lever off of the shift rod
> (mine came out easy).  Then, what I did was take a little piece of wood
>15mm
> thick to hold the proper spacing back at the shift lever, and while holding
> it there, proceede to re-attach the selector lever at the other end, then,
> put the bolt back through the clamp, tighten it, put the plastic cover back
> on the boot, and thank the good Lord if it isn't your tranny...
 
> Jim
> Vw16valve@aol.com >>


Another way to get your 15mm spacer is to use a medium size binder clip.  You
know the kind that's black sping steel with the chrome flip out levers(The
ones you occasionally take home from the office).  The "hinge" width of these
clips are about 15mm.  Not exact, but much closer than you could measure
lying on your back under your car.  And a little easier than trying to cut
and sand wood.  My $.02.

Good luck to all.
SailingFC@aol.com
'78 Scirocco(Original owner)
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Date: 97-03-02 23:33:31 EST

You wrote:
Hey there,   I am wondering how hard it was to get the shiftrod loose
where it connects to the linkage ( engine compartment)
I live in an area where they use salt in the winter and this looks like a 
real trouble spot for me

Dave

Well first, take a scratch awl or something sharp and mark a place where the
shift rod meets the selector lever.  That way, you'll always know where you
started from.  Then take the round bottom plastic cover from the boot that
protects the gearshift lever where it joins the shift rod (really greasy),
and look up inside it.  With the car in neutral, the space between the very
bottom end of the shift lever (the gearshift) and the solid piece right next
to it (reverse lockout) should measure 15mm.  If it doesn't, proceed with
adjustment.  loosen the clamp at the other end of the shift rod (forward,
toward the engine), take out the bolt, pry open the clamp a little, and with
a small hammer & screwdriver, tap the selector lever off of the shift rod
(mine came out easy).  Then, what I did was take a little piece of wood 15mm
thick to hold the proper spacing back at the shift lever, and while holding
it there, proceede to re-attach the selector lever at the other end, then,
put the bolt back through the clamp, tighten it, put the plastic cover back
on the boot, and thank the good Lord if it isn't your tranny...

Jim
Vw16valve@aol.com
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From: DWilsonGA@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:15:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Help with FI troubles

First, I am a Scirocco person. On my 3rd and soon to get #4. But I need help
with my son's Jetta GLI, and you guys are so much sharper than anybody else
on VW H2O cars, I turn desperately to you for help with this car.

85GLI 8V, 94K miles, will not start. I have checked and or replaced
altenator, starter, battery and cables, oil/filter, air filter, and nothing.
Turns over, but will not crank.  I got the car a week ago from a guy who,
when it would not crank one morning, just went and bought another car (an
Acura, what a maroon) and has no clue. "Just wouldn't crank."

It is getting spark to the plugs, and gas to them. It has compression. The
timing belt is okay. The only odd thing I noticed when I got it was a large
quantity of gas in the oil, but I attributed that to the moron trying to
crank it for 3 weeks. BUT, when I got all the electricals sorted out, and
tried to crank it, the smell of gas was in the air.

So, help! Thermo-time switch? Cold start valve? Control pressure regulator?
Check valve? I am so far over my head I fear.....

Any and all help greatly appreciated. (oh and did you hear about the 80S
being parted out in Atlanta - makes me cry. Not even hit, just selling it
piece by piece)

David

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From: "Lisa & Rick" <hugacub@whidbey.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 04:41:21 +0800
Subject: Re: your mail

On  7 Mar 97 at 8:25, Dave Mahoney wrote:

> Shouldn't the lower hose be cool??? Isn't that what the rad does??

It should be COOLER than the top. but not cool to the touch.  The 
radiator is supposed to remove heat, but not to that extent, 
especially at idle.  I've never seen a car whose lower hose stayed 
cool unless the radiator had blockage.  And if the car is overheating 
it would be even hotter, if there was coolant flow thru the radiator.

Rick    hugacub@whidbey.net
85 Scirocco 8V  Wolfsburg
Oak Harbor, WA
(On Whidbey Island in the Puget Sound)
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From: ChTaylo4@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 09:51:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Red Scirocco 16v spotted in NJ

Hey y'all!

I was headed up 31N in central-ish Jersey yesterday to go to my g-friends
when a nice lil' red 16v passed me going the other way.  @2pm Satuday headed
31S.  Was that you Josh?  Anyone else?

CT
'87 S
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From: Sean <qatboy@richmond.infi.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:36:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: woofer

At 05:10 PM 3/6/97 -0800, McDowall wrote:
>On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Sean wrote:
>
>> Keep on thumpin'!
>> never heard of an 11" woofer- 
>
>I think Dynaudio or something makes one for home use...it was probably a
>typo in the original message though.

Hmmm... would be weird- The recent issue of The Golf has a funky (not!) ICED
Scirocco.
The car is nice, but kind of like a body-builder with terrible proportion,
and it wins
awards?

>You must be one of those tweek-o-phile geeks..:)  Technically, we can't
>hear anything above 20khz!  
Yes, I must admit to being a geek- but we can indeed hear above 20KHz!
even if we groove wit Pfunk
Paul
>
>----
>"Doin it to you in your earhole..."
>	-George Clinton

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From: VanAm <vanambum@silyn.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 17:57:35 +0100
Subject: Air box to throttle body 

Any one ever hear about this before?  Hear anything good or
bad about it?  I got this from a friend...

have you seen the advertisement for a replacement pipe for the "s" 
pipe connected to the air box and throttle body boot?  It comes in 
five colors (black, white, red, yellow, and chrome) or carbon fibre.  
It's 3" in diamater, made of lightweight ABS plastic, and has a 50% 
increase in airflow over the stock "s" pipe.  It runs for about $44.
95 and a company called Performance Engineering makes it.  (203) 526-
4717.  I thought I might give them a call and get the specs on it.  
Will keep you posted.  Later days!

- -Mike
89 Scirocco Scala

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From: trnsfrma@ix.netcom.com (Shawn C. Meze)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:38:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Air box to throttle body 

At 05:57 PM 3/7/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Any one ever hear about this before?  Hear anything good or
>bad about it?  I got this from a friend...
>have you seen the advertisement for a replacement pipe for the "s" 
>pipe connected to the air box and throttle body boot?  It comes in 
>five colors (black, white, red, yellow, and chrome) or carbon fibre.  
>It's 3" in diamater, made of lightweight ABS plastic, and has a 50% 
>increase in airflow over the stock "s" pipe.  It runs for about $44.
>95 and a company called Performance Engineering makes it.  (203) 526-
>4717.  I thought I might give them a call and get the specs on it.  
>Will keep you posted.  Later days!

I believe the marketing name they're calling it is the "Power Pipe". The 
notion that it flows 50% better is rediculously high. Maybe 5% better. The 
idea is, it takes the turns out of the pipe, which is better airflow. 

Todd Cameron gave me a piece of 3"PCV pipe and a 45deg bend and he said it 
cost him all of $5.00 and it comes in any color you want! (paint it yourself) 
I dont feel it gives any low end performance but the top end has got to 
benefit from its being in place. I happen to like the way it looks over the 
stock "S" pipe. 
My overall opinion:    "eh"



Shawn
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From: Brandon Sommerville <brandon@caseware.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 13:07:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Help with FI troubles

At 08:15 PM 6/3/97 -0500, DWilsonGA@aol.com wrote:
>First, I am a Scirocco person. On my 3rd and soon to get #4. But I need help
>with my son's Jetta GLI, and you guys are so much sharper than anybody else
>on VW H2O cars, I turn desperately to you for help with this car.
>
>85GLI 8V, 94K miles, will not start. I have checked and or replaced
>altenator, starter, battery and cables, oil/filter, air filter, and nothing.
>Turns over, but will not crank.  I got the car a week ago from a guy who,
>when it would not crank one morning, just went and bought another car (an
>Acura, what a maroon) and has no clue. "Just wouldn't crank."

I'm no mechanic, but it sounds exactly like what was happening to my car.
New battery, it would turn over beautifully, but it wouldn't catch.  One
mechanic told me it was a problem with the fuel, pump, but when he went to
try it one last time before putting the pump in, it started.

I went back to my regular mechanic and he told me it was in the ignition.
They replaced some parts in there and now it starts beautifully.

Sorry I can't be more detailed, but maybe it'll give you a new starting point?

Brandon Sommerville

You know how most packages say "Open here"?
What is the protocol if the package says, "Open somewhere else"?

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From: "Johnny Scarborough  Jr." <jscarb@aolnorth.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 14:32:26 -0500
Subject: looking for a dash....

I know this has been posted before but I wasn't thinking about a new dash
then but I am now :-)

Could someone send me info where I can get a new/rebuilt dash?

I have an '83 if that matters...

Also anyone have opinions on Corbeau seats? I'm looking for a more race
oriented seat and their prices seem OK (I am looking at the Clubman model as
it is cheap and also very light weight)

Cheers,

- -johnny-
83' (will be a 2.2 stroker hopefully by spring!)



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From: wahl@brutus.columbus.sgi.com (Edward Wahl)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:56:59 -0500
Subject: Re: VW Special tools

>Now, if only Campagnolo and VW could set something up... Shimano?

Campagnolo already has a wheel called the Scirocco !!!!

Ed

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From: wahl@brutus.columbus.sgi.com (Edward Wahl)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:01:20 -0500
Subject: Re: VW Special tools

I could really use an all titanium wrench/socket set...

SIGH

Ed

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From: trnsfrma@ix.netcom.com (Shawn C. Meze)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:15:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Help with FI troubles

At 08:15 PM 3/6/97 -0500, you wrote:

>85GLI 8V, 94K miles, will not start. I have checked and or replaced
>altenator, starter, battery and cables, oil/filter, air filter, and nothing.
>Turns over, but will not crank.  I got the car a week ago from a guy who,
>when it would not crank one morning, just went and bought another car (an
>Acura, what a maroon) and has no clue. "Just wouldn't crank."


Hmm, maybe he knew something more than he was willing to admit to? 
It happens.....


>It is getting spark to the plugs, and gas to them. It has compression. The
>timing belt is okay. The only odd thing I noticed when I got it was a large
>quantity of gas in the oil, but I attributed that to the moron trying to
>crank it for 3 weeks. BUT, when I got all the electricals sorted out, and
>tried to crank it, the smell of gas was in the air.


>From your description, its sounds like its too rich. Too much fuel. Crqnk it 
and immediately remove a spark plug. If its physically wet, then this would
be 
the case. Possible causes:
There could be a clogged or bad fuel injector. 
The cold start valve could be leaking raw fuel into the cylinders. 
The fuel distributor could be bad. 
The previous owner screwed with the fuel mixture settings. (Lets see, I just 
turn this thingie all the way to the left..and... )
  


Something you might want to try, is remove one of the fuel injectors, place
it 
into a jar and while checking the spray pattern, see if the car will start. 
This was how I discovered my fuel distributor was bad. (well, the fuel 
mixture was extremely rich, due to the fact the previous owner decided to 
"rebuild" the fuel distributor. He effectively ruined it.) 


>So, help! Thermo-time switch?

No, because it would have nothing to do with the car starting. Only after it 
has warmed up a but is when this item comes into play.

> Cold start valve? 

Possible culprit as mentioned above.


>Control pressure regulator?

Um, no. If it were bad, again, it would start and then idle very high. Then 
once it warmed, it would stall. Thats the symptom of this item going bad, in
my 
experience.



>I am so far over my head I fear.....


No, your not over your head. Things seem like they're out of control when
your 
stumped over a problem like this. As soon as you solve the problem, you'll 
think to yourself, "Thats all that was"! The fuel system is very ba
sic. At the same time, if everything isnt working almost perfectly, it wont 
run.





Shawn
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From: trnsfrma@ix.netcom.com (Shawn C. Meze)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:21:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: G-grind in DSP? <Judgement day>

At 04:02 PM 3/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>-The kicker-
>The 1.6L cam is listed as OBSOLETE!
>
>This is because it is not CARB legel.

Thats right, which would make it amongst other nice performer cams that we
cant 
use in DSP. I wonder if VW would like to kick my dog while they're at it? Its 
almost like they're going out of their way to ensure we cant be fast and 
competative in DSP with a Scirocco. Almost like the Scirocco was a good idea
to 
begin with, but later became an afterthought or trouble for VW or something.
Im 
still baffled as to why the Scirocco never had the 10-1 motor (other than the 
16V). Other cars of the same years had them starting in 85. Why not the 
Scirocco? 




Shawn
getting pissed!
 
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From: trnsfrma@ix.netcom.com (Shawn C. Meze)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:32:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: G grind in DSP? <the real story>

At 02:57 PM 3/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Somewhere around here I have the duration and lift numbers  for the
>'N' (1.6i) the 'J' (JH 1.8i) and the G (euro JH) cams.

Well, since your gonna keep them numbers to yourself, I had to know so I 
looked. :)-


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|
Ok, the Euro G-grind cam(Which is also known as the Euro "N" cam) has:
                                0.423 lift
                                283 duration of lift. 


                                The JH cam is:
                                0.387 lift
                                223 duration of lift

                                the 1.6L cam:
                                0.405
                                225 duration of lift

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|
correct me if im wrong on these specs. 
These numbers dont mean much as there are many other contributing factors to
a 
cam giving great performance, or not.



LAter all, gotta go to LA to get my tranny.

Shawn
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From: KDBinney@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 16:48:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Help with FI troubles

Just a couple of thoughts...

>timing belt ok, well did you check the marks?  Is the tension good?  did you
watch it turn?  I have seen cars jump time without any signs, other than a
loose belt.  All seemed good, but it was running rough.  The damn thing spun
the crank gear 180 degrees.  approx not perfect, but damn close, was running
with the pistons one half turn off, whoops.  I have also seen a belt rip all
the teeth off around the crank, the rest looked perfect.  The damn thing just
didnt turn with the motor.  However when I turned the motor with a breaker
bar, it would go because I moved it slow enough.  Then I would try to start
it and it would just stop when it reached no teeth.

next, a friend had a problem of the car running real real rich.  Turned out
that the computer for the oxs sensor was bad.  I wasnt there but he switched
it and the  car runs fine.  I suspect a connection, because he pulled the
whole motor, harness and all from the car a few months back and it never went
since then but who knows.  There is a test sequence in the bentley for
checking the computer.

Kyle

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From: Riley McDowall <rileym@sfu.ca>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 14:26:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: woofer

On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Sean wrote:

> >You must be one of those tweek-o-phile geeks..:)  Technically, we can't
> >hear anything above 20khz!  
> Yes, I must admit to being a geek- but we can indeed hear above 20KHz!
> even if we groove wit Pfunk
> Paul

I admit to being a tweek too....I've read one or two issues of
Stereophile.  But I challenge you to hear a 20khz tone!  Can't be done,
unless you have hearing several orders of magnitude better than average...

Did you know "Tear the Roof Off" was named an all-time must have CD by
Stereophile a couple years ago?  They've got a funkateer or two on staff
over there....

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From: "J. B. Lewis" <jblewis@iwaynet.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 18:24:09 -0500
Subject: looking for a dash....

I've got a very nice one in my garage.  No cracks or scratches, and it's
not out of some junker in yard either.

You can try the dealer ($800).

E-mail me with an offer if your interested.
Alan
- -JBLewis			R.D.Zande&Associates, Inc.
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'91 DSP VW Golf			www.zande.com/zande
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From: "Jeremy R. Bromley" <jbromley@mail.enterprise.net>
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 01:07:09 +0000
Subject: Re: woofer

GUys, that Scirocco wins awards for its SOUNDS not it's looks. I've 
been against it in a couple of Concours competitions and it just 
doesn't cut it, at GTi International this year he couldn't get the 
bonnet open (for some reason....)

> Hmmm... would be weird- The recent issue of The Golf has a funky (not!) ICED
> Scirocco.
> The car is nice, but kind of like a body-builder with terrible proportion,
> and it wins
> awards?
> 
 
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From: Donovan Porter <dporter@hevanet.com>
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 17:57:09 -0800
Subject: '81 scirocco troubleshooting

Okay waterheads.  After owning my '81 Scirocco for almost 2 weeks, here are
some observations.  Can anyone diagnose the possible problems?

- - While driving home, my friend (who was following me in his MR2) noticed
the left rear wheel was slightly wobbling while I was driving.  After
getting home, I made sure the lugs where tight.  I don't believe the wheel
is bent...THEN I proceded to grab ahold of the top of the tire, and shake
the wheel in and out.  It seems slightly loose, and there's a thumping
originating from the hub.  The other rear wheel did it to.  What's this?
Wheel bearings?

- - Car doesn't want to "cold start" when started cold.  It just idles like
normal (albiet, a bit rough until it warms).  How do I fix this?

- - Both front seats "rock" slightly.  The rears are okay, but is loose where
the adjuster up front is.  Is this normal?  It's not a lot, but you can sit
in it, rock it, and hear a tiny thump sound.

- - Neither door will hold itself open.  What do I need to adjust/replace to
fix this?  Makes getting out when carrying stuff inconvenient.

- - The front springs are Tokico's (too stiff for me), and the rears are
Eibachs.  Rear shocks are red Tokico's, and the fronts are ?....anybody want
to buy these for their Scirocco I?  $100 USD for all.

Here's some other misc. info:

- - I will be ordering the Neuspeed suspension package (NS Lowering Springs,
upper and lower stressbar, 22mm front SB, 25mm rear SB, Bilstein HD's or
Boge TG's).  Any comments on the quality of these components?  Ease of
installation?  How about the Bilstein or Boge shocks...any good?  How's the
ride after I install all this crud?

- - I will be ordering the Techtonics 14awg aluminized steel exhaust.  What's
the quality on this?

That's about it for now.  Thanks for reading through all this drivel, and
thanks in advance for any answers.

 
 *  Donovan Porter - dporter@hevanet.com - Green '95 200SX SE-R FOR  *
* SALE! Best offer over $13k - 1980 VW Rabbit Pickup  FOR SALE! $1200 *
 * -96 Toyota RAV4, 4wd, pwr everyting - 1981 VW Scirocco, some mods *

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From: "Ryan Schuermann" <rts@phoenix.net>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 20:14:50 +0000
Subject: Exhaust problems, help!

I fired up my '86 8v after about 3 weeks of no driving, and took it 
for a nice 50mile drive to my new place of residence. First thing I 
did was fill it up with gas..was almost empty. But the whole drive 
down, and still to date it sounds like i'm missign a muffler, 
backfires, idles liek put-put....put-put....put-put and the throttle 
is completely unresponsive untill i get it around 2k..then while 
driving it feels real jerky. My muffler and pipes look good, but it 
kinda stunk after i parked it.

I could care less how this car drives as long as it gets to the shop 
for the body kit..then the G60..but if this is something cheaply 
fixed, i'll take care of it. any insight is appreciated

Ryan
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From: Tim Ebling <tim@surrealsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 18:18:40 -0800
Subject: RE: Exhaust problems, help!

throttle
is completely unresponsive untill i get it around 2k..then while
driving it feels real jerky. My muffler and pipes look good, but it
kinda stunk after i parked it.

My '86 has the same symptoms, as far as the throttle not working well 
below 2-3k and the hesitating, but the problem comes and goes.  In my 
case I was thinking that it was a fuel problem (clogged filter or 
something).  My muffler isn't in great shape, but if that were the 
problem I wouldn't think it would be intermittent, but who knows...

Tim


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From: GYPS16A@prodigy.com ( GEOFF K ZIMMER)
Date: Fri,  7 Mar 1997 21:20:46, -0500
Subject: TEST

I have tried to send letters to the list in the past and failed, here 
goes again. Please ignore.
Geoff
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From: Miles Lott <milos@insync.net>
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 20:58:44 -0600
Subject: Re: '81 scirocco troubleshooting

At 05:57 PM 3/7/97 -0800, you wrote:
>originating from the hub.  The other rear wheel did it to.  What's this?
>Wheel bearings?

Sounds like bearings, or adjustment of such.  Its a relatively easy job.

>- Car doesn't want to "cold start" when started cold.  It just idles like
>normal (albiet, a bit rough until it warms).  How do I fix this?

It probably isn't intended to have a higher idle when cold.  Usually it
is a bit lower, actually.  The cold start function is a little extra shot
of fuel while cranking.

>- Both front seats "rock" slightly.  The rears are okay, but is loose where
>the adjuster up front is.  Is this normal?  It's not a lot, but you can sit
>in it, rock it, and hear a tiny thump sound.

You need the plastic bushings - 3 pieces per seat.  Cheapf from the dealer.

>- Neither door will hold itself open.  What do I need to adjust/replace to
>fix this?  Makes getting out when carrying stuff inconvenient.

A screw/rivet probably fell off the door stop hinge thing at the door side.
The mount is flopping around inside the door.  I still need to fix this...
 

>- I will be ordering the Neuspeed suspension package (NS Lowering Springs,
>upper and lower stressbar, 22mm front SB, 25mm rear SB, Bilstein HD's or
>Boge TG's).  Any comments on the quality of these components?  Ease of
>installation?  How about the Bilstein or Boge shocks...any good?  How's the
>ride after I install all this crud?

The ride will be stiffer than stock.  I have the Neuspeed/Boge TG on
my Scirocco, and I wish it was a little softer.  But it corners like
crazy! :)

Miles Lott (http://www.insync.net/~milos)
(mailto:milos@insync.net)
93 Corrado SLC, 82 Scirocco

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From: HOTGTX@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:05:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Air box to throttle body 

Just to let everyone know --  I made my own 3 inch dia.  pipe.  I went to our
local hardware (we carry everything type) store.  I cut it  to fit perfectly.
I primed it and painted it some sort of blue.  Works like a champ !  total
cost $7.50.  If any one is interested I'd be happy to send the details.

dave

86 Scirocco
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From: Dave Mahoney <CC938999@eng.cabot.nf.ca>
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:02:22 +0000
Subject: questions

Hi,  can anyone explain the concept of stroking an engine?? Is it just
putting in longer piston rods and a different crank to get a longer stroke???

Also on that cooling system topic  1. car does not warm up . Just to 
first mark on guage. I replaced the thermostat ( faulty??) Top rad hose
hot , bottom cold ( not cool , cold) I can see the coolant circulate in 
the rad with the rad cap off.  A couple of times I just squeezed a few hoses
and boom the car heated up. (AIR??) The thermostat I used was colder than 
stock reccommended,( 180 deg vs 192)Weather has been from 0 degrees 
celcius to about -10 here lately (brr) should I try a hotter thermostat?
No coolant in the oil, new rad cap.... OK this is not a VW but I am really
stumped here, -10 with no heat  HELP!! If anyone needs more info I can email
you privately.

Thanks from someone who is very cold in their car

Hey it's not my car I have a VW!!;)

Dave
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From: Harry Jones WISD <haj@tenet.edu>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:39:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Help with FI troubles

If you are truly not comfortable with FI and "No Start" problems, my best 
suggestion is to find a copy of Richard Sealey's "How To Keep Your 
Volkswagen Alive". This is a great book with EXCELLENT "step-by-step" 
diagnostic procedures.

The catch? It is out of print :( Try the local libraries and used book 
stores. This is a truly great book for the novice mechanic and a great 
de-bug reference for the more experienced.

Harry

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From: Harry Jones WISD <haj@tenet.edu>
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:10:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: '81 scirocco troubleshooting

On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Donovan Porter wrote:

> - While driving home, my friend (who was following me in his MR2) noticed
> the left rear wheel was slightly wobbling while I was driving.  After
> getting home, I made sure the lugs where tight.  I don't believe the wheel
> is bent...THEN I proceded to grab ahold of the top of the tire, and shake
> the wheel in and out.  It seems slightly loose, and there's a thumping
> originating from the hub.  The other rear wheel did it to.  What's this?
> Wheel bearings?

My guess is wheel bearing (you are sure the wheel is not bent?). I have 
seen this happen in two other RARE instances where is was NOT the wheel 
bearing:

	1. Loose stub - axle
	2. Incorrect drum installed, so that hub diameter was too large 
	   to allow proper seating of the wheel. 

> - Car doesn't want to "cold start" when started cold.  It just idles like
> normal (albiet, a bit rough until it warms).  How do I fix this?

See diagnostics in Bentley manual. Do all the FI diagnostics / 
testing.... there are several possible causes. CIS is easy to diagnose, 
but you must be orderly and methodical.

> - Both front seats "rock" slightly.  The rears are okay, but is loose where
> the adjuster up front is.  Is this normal?  It's not a lot, but you can sit
> in it, rock it, and hear a tiny thump sound.

Not normal! Could be missing nylon cover from front side mount?

> - Neither door will hold itself open.  What do I need to adjust/replace to
> fix this?  Makes getting out when carrying stuff inconvenient.

Hell on the knees too :) Use a thin flat - blade screwdriver to spread 
the door travel limiters apart.

> - I will be ordering the Neuspeed suspension package (NS Lowering Springs,
> upper and lower stressbar, 22mm front SB, 25mm rear SB, Bilstein HD's or
> Boge TG's).  Any comments on the quality of these components? 

Good stuff, but don't get the front sway-bar. The car will handle better 
without it. If the Tokicos were too rough, you might want to get the Boge 
over the Bilstein. Suspensions are a very individualized mod.... Everyone 
has a preference! Try to drive some different Sciroccos with different 
setups. 

> Ease of installation?  

No problem, just don't tear your head off when you dismantle the front 
strut - housings! Get the right tools or order the housings / struts 
assembled.

> How about the Bilstein or Boge shocks...any good?  How's the ride 
> after I install all this crud?

Both brands are good, I would get the Bilsteins though. Ride? What is 
rough to you may be just right to me, or vise-versa. 
 
> - I will be ordering the Techtonics 14awg aluminized steel exhaust.  What's
> the quality on this?

Quality? Excellent. 


Hope it helps!

Harry
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From: Chris Picot <picot@cpcug.org>
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 23:17:04
Subject: Re: questions

At 12:02 AM 3/8/97 +0000, Dave Mahoney wrote:
>Hi,  can anyone explain the concept of stroking an engine?? Is it just
>putting in longer piston rods and a different crank to get a longer stroke???

Reground or different crank with con rod journals ground so that their
centerlines are farther away from the main journals. *Shorter* rods.
(otherwise they would collide with the head on up stroke.  With different
centers and shorter rods the top of the piston will be lower in the
cylinder on the down stroke, thus more capacity.

Chris


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