Hold on a second. To compare a Renault R5 and a Ford Festiva? No way. The R5 is a serious machine, while the Festivas are econoboxes. the Shogun may be fast as hell, but it will never be a rally car. Steve Theodore -- To subscribe or unsubscribe, send email to scirocco-L-request@privateI.com, with your request (subscribe, unsubscribe) in the BODY of the message.