What type refrigerant came on our cars? I too want my AC back

[sukchew at cox.net (Chuck Blue)]

If you use a refrigerant with sealer in it and it has to go to a repair shop 
be sure and let them know that you have a sealer in it.That stuff will 
destroy a freon recovery system.
ole blue
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter" <peter@thescirocco.com>
To: "'Chuck Blue'" <sukchew@cox.net>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: RE: What type refrigerant came on our cars? I too want my AC back


> Listen to Chuck...
>
> Being in Texas, it has to be the acid test for any air-conditioning 
> system.
>
> I charged my drivable swap-car, a '90 Passat 2L16V, with the $33 R134 kit,
> that Wal-Mart sells.
> It comes with everything you need, and the large can of R-134, is a
> sealer/conditioner.
>
> I drove it through the summer without any problems.
>
> If the white Fox wagon gets back on the road, I'll re-charge that with
> R-134, too.
>
> Peter-302.832.8989
> http://thescirocco.com/
>
> Please! Include the previous text in your reply...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Blue [mailto:sukchew@cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:09 PM
> To: gforbess@attglobal.net; smithma7@gmail.com; neptunonc@yahoo.com;
> scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: What type refrigerant came on our cars? I too want my AC back
>
> Okay People.Here's the scoop on refrigerant substitutes for R-12
> Frigc-FR-2 contains 39% of 124  59% 134a and 2% butane FreeZone  RB-276 
> 19%
> 142b 79%134a
> R-406a   55% HCFC-22   41% HCF142b
> Autofrost  GHG-X4/  51% HCFC-22  28.5%HCFC124  16.5% HCFC 124b
>  These are not well known substitutes for R-12 Freeze -12 is 20% 142b and
> 80% 134a People think and use it as a drop in refrigerant but it is
> not.Special fittings are required.If you have to go to that much trouble 
> to
> change to a refridgerant that contains 80% R-134 why not go ahead and
> convert to all R134a.
>  I am not a AC man but I do work with AC freon recovery equipment and ask 
> a
> lot of questions from AC people.I have had people tell me that R134a does
> not cool as well as R12 but that has not been my experience. I flushed and
> changed to R134 and I can not tell any diffrence. This was done on a 90
> Nissan pick up and I have not had any problems with any of the 
> components.I
> am not advocating this procedure. It was done as a cheap fix and I have 
> been
> using it for about 4 years with no problems.
>  It all may blow up tomorrow but so far so good.It is not a daily driver 
> so
> that may be a factor.
>     There are some other subs but these seem to be the main ones.
> Good luck,
>
> ole blue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gforbess@attglobal.net>
> To: <smithma7@gmail.com>; <neptunonc@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: What type refrigerant came on our cars? I too want my AC back
>
>
> Freeze 12 is what was used to replace the R12 in our Mercedes after some
> a/c work about 3-4 years ago.  I've had zero problems and the efficiency
> seems to be even better than the original.  No seal replacement or purging
> was required.   http://freeze-12.com/
>
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