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VW layoffs & reliability
It seems like I see that a lot, almost any car... Tail light, headlight,
don't matter, often out... Are talilights on when the headlights are one with
daytime running lights? I don't even know...
David Utley
Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> It's funny this has been brought up because there's been at least 20-30+
> times in the recent past I've seen a late model VW with some light burnt
> out. When the numbers get that high you really can't help questioning their
> quality...
>
> The only car I'd buy new for myself would be a BMW hands down.
>
> My $0.02, JT
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marc Getty" <marc@getty.net>
> To: "'Chris'" <vze28h54@verizon.net>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:08 PM
> Subject: RE: VW layoffs & reliability
>
>
> >
> > The low German car reliability numbers you write about are new and
> > based on four things.
> >
> > 1. Spending on print advertising by German car makers is *WAY LOW*
> > lately. Hint Hint.
> >
> > 2. Most of the problems reported are minor, as in "my heated mirrors
> > don't work" kind of stuff. My Benz has never left me stranded by
> > loosing it's ability to take me places (other then flat tires), which
> > is the core intrinsic purpose of a car.
> >
> > 3. The level of expectation for reliability is very high on all
> > luxury cars, slightly higher on German cars. If the horn breaks on
> > your Chevy Caviler you don't care, if the cigarette lighter breaks in
> > your E500 you get pissed!
> >
> > 4. All luxury cars are incredibly complicated and have a lot more
> > parts then an economy car. Heated mirrors is not an option on Chevy
> > Caviler. The key to my Benz is more complicated then the engine,
> > transmission, or fuel injection system on a Chevy Caviler.
> >
> > -Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Chris
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:09 AM
> > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: VW layoffs & reliability
> >
> >
> > Reliability is going to have to be "Job One". Just got the new care
> > issue
> > of Consumer Reports. In the Small Car category: Reliability for '01 -
> > '03
> > for 5 VW models ranged from 40% worse than average to 104% worse than
> > average (the turbos). They ranked below 2 Hyundai models and a Chevy
> > Cavalier. The saving grace for Vws is that repair costs are probably
> > much
> > lower than many or most cars. The '03 VWs ranked well on
> > reliability.
> > Maybe they have got it right now.
> >
> > The Asian cars topped the reliability charts. American cars from the
> > Big
> > Three ranked, on average, slightly above the European cars. (For the
> > "first
> > time in decades.") M-B did not come out very well. Luxury cars: BMW
> > 7
> > Series - 175% worse then ave. Boy what an insult to BMW buyers. Pay
> > a
> > whopping sum for the car. It doesn't run and you know they pay
> > through the
> > nose for repairs.
> >
> > But people love some cars despite their short comings on
> > reliability. Reliability chart. "Sporty Car" category. Mini Cooper.
> > 99%
> > worse than average.
> > Flip back to another chart. "Most Satisfying", Small Car category.
> > Mini
> > Cooper is one of the three cars listed.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > At 10:44 AM 03/09/2004 -0700, Eric S wrote:
> >
> > >Maybe VW will wake up soon. Upmarket moves like the Toureg and the
> > >Phaeton were stupid...now they feel the stupidity of those decisions
> > >biting at their heels.
> > >
> > >--
> > >Eric
> > >www.vintagewatercooleds.com
> > >
> > >79 VW Iltis
> > >81 Rabbit Truck 2.0 16v
> > >81 Scirocco S (TDI Swap project)
> > >90 Corrado TDI
> > >91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow swap project)
> > >
> > >Julie Macfarlane said:
> > > >
> > > > Even our favorite company is hurting. Over extended?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://edition.cnn.com/2004/BUSINESS/03/09/vw.layoffs.reut/index.htm
> > > > l
> > > >
> > > > Julie Macfarlane
> > > > 1981 MKI 2L 16v
> > > > Amsterdam NY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ev
> > > >
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