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Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...



I am yes, I dunno if she is...

David

-----Original Message-----
From: T. Reed [mailto:treed2@wsu.edu]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 10:49 PM
To: David Utley
Cc: Allyn; Julie Macfarlane; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...

You talkin' about that belly-button lint stuff they use as under-carpet
padding?

-Toby

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, David Utley wrote:

> Perhaps she is talking about the jute under the tarboards you find
sometimes?
>
> Jute is what looks like tons of different color threads...  It tears
easily,
> and as a consequence spreads dust like a m/f...
> --
> Regards,
> David Utley
> -----------
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>
>
> Quoting Allyn <amalventano@sc.rr.com>:
>
> > erm, no rags in any of the rockers i've cut...
> > Al
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Julie Macfarlane" <juliemac57@hotmail.com>
> > To: <mr.utility@highstream.net>; <amalventano@sc.rr.com>;
> > <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 8:25 AM
> > Subject: RE: Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...
> >
> >
> > > Sounds like a good idea to me, but what about moisture retention?
> > > What about the rocker panels as well as they are filled with a rag
like
> > > material. Most of that would have to be removed prior to filling.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Julie Macfarlane
> > > 1981 MKI 2L 16v
> > > Amsterdam NY
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > > >Reply-To: mr.utility@highstream.net
> > > >To: "Allyn" <amalventano@sc.rr.com>,<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > >Subject: RE: Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...
> > > >Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:01:55 -0600
> > > >
> > > >Comments/concerns within...
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Allyn [mailto:amalventano@sc.rr.com]
> > > >Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 2:38 PM
> > > >To: mr.utility@highstream.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > >Subject: Re: Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >1. whats a good entry point (you would have to drill somewhere)
> > > >I think they do allude to drilling in some cases...  I personally am
not
> > > >against it, esp. if I think I will get as much of a gain as I will.
I
> > > >would
> > > >only drill on the inside of the car however, and seal appropriately
when
> > > >finished...
> > > >
> > > >2. how do you get the foam distributed within all areas of the
rocker?
> > > >
> > > >A very good question, especially once I see the cutaways that you
> > > >offered...
> > > >I would say at this point you are a better expert than I am here!  :)
I
> > do
> > > >have a Rabbit body I could sacrifice for this, and perhaps do a
write-up
> > > >about it...  I might do well to go buy a Sawzall and go to town... It
> > would
> > > >be a bit of a pity, a good straight body like that....  What do you
> > think,
> > > >Allyn?  With your sectioning the Sciroccos, and me doing this Rabbit,
> > could
> > > >be come up with a plan for the best way to apply this stuff?
> > > >I will call them tomorrow and ask if they have any direct experience
with
> > > >any particular import, and offer up our concerns for the multiple
layers
> > > >stopping flow...  Perhaps they will be able to offer some ideas as
> > well...
> > > >Let me know what you think, and I will report what the foam folks
say...
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >David
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >also, heres another idea, check out this pic of the front engine bay:
> > >
> >
>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/0-allyn/project/images/030121-225551-Z10.jp
> > g
> > > >there are a few plugs which would allow entry points without drilling
> > > >there is also the area within the firewall:
> > >
> >
>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/0-allyn/project/images/020328-125608-Z10.jp
> > g
> > > >(plug visible in this case)
> > > >theres also some decent candidates in the rear:
> > > >http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/incoming/images/031122-130148-Z10.jpg
> > > >http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/incoming/images/031122-135553-Z10.jpg
> > > >http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/incoming/images/031122-135611-Z10.jpg
> > > >especially the last one. that entire beam that wraps along the wheel
well
> > > >is
> > > >totally hollow, as well as the beam that runs across the bottom of
the
> > > >hatch, forward of the wheel wells. the part thats missing in this
pic:
> > >
> >
>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/0-allyn/project/images/030130-204021-Z10.jp
> > g
> > > >you can see the outline of where it started just forward of the base
of
> > the
> > > >shock tower.
> > > >
> > > >anyhow, this may be more creative uses of extra foam than just
throwing
> > it
> > > >into large vacant areas within the fenders/body.
> > > >hth
> > > >Al
> > > >
> > > >Al
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > >Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:16 PM
> > > >Subject: Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Scirocco Listers,
> > > > >    It is I, your favorite pest...  :)
> > > > >
> > > > >   I mentioned on another post some time back about using expanding
> > foam
> > > >in
> > > > > the cavities of our cars to increase rigidity and lessen unwanted
> > > > > road/engine noise, and a few replied that you were interested...
I
> > > >aplogize
> > > > > to those that responded, as I have lost your names...  Please
reply
> > once
> > > > > more, and I will do a better job of keeping up with it in the
> > future...
> > > >I
> > > > > also apologize for taking this long to post the link to the Vortex
> > post
> > > >I
> > > > > made some time back discussing it, as well as the article from
Sport
> > > >Compact
> > > > > Car discussing it further...  I have been all over this, and I
plan to
> > > >buy
> > > > > some for at least three cars...  It then occurred to me that some
of
> > you
> > > >may
> > > > > be interested in this as well, so here is a direct inquiry for all
of
> > > >you
> > > > > intersted in participating in a group buy, please let me know...
> > > > >
> > > > > The article in Sport Compact Car is as follows...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0006scc_proj300zx
> > > > >
> > > > > Look near the end for the mention of the foam...  I recommend
reading
> > > >the
> > > > > whole articl though, as you will see that they intend to double
the
> > > > > horsepower of that 300ZX.  They thought about a roll cage, but
decided
> > > >that
> > > > > in that car, it was not feasible for a road-going two door.  This
is
> > > >what
> > > > > piqued my interest, as I am 6'4", can really cannot manga losing
more
> > > > > interior space, I need all that I have left and then some...
That,
> > and
> > > >the
> > > > > fact that this is cheaper than a roll cage, AND it has sound
dampening
> > > > > abilities too?  Seems like a win-win situation...
> > > > >
> > > > > The manufacturer is as follows...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.itwfoamseal.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >   As far as we can tell, it would cost us about 150.00 or so
including
> > > > > shipping to do each car, and that is if we went crazy and did all
open
> > > > > cavities (as I intend to do
> > > > >
> > > > >   If you are interested, or even if you are not and you are bored
and
> > > >need
> > > > > something to read, (;-)) I invite you to look over the forwarded
> > > >material
> > > > > and see what you think...  While I am no expert, I will be happy
to
> > > >field
> > > >as
> > > > > many questions as I can...
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know what you all think...
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >    David Utley
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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