Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...

[juliemac57 at hotmail.com (Julie Macfarlane)]

Sounds like a good idea to me, but what about moisture retention?
What about the rocker panels as well as they are filled with a rag like 
material. Most of that would have to be removed prior to filling.



Julie Macfarlane
1981 MKI 2L 16v
Amsterdam NY





>From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
>Reply-To: mr.utility@highstream.net
>To: "Allyn" <amalventano@sc.rr.com>,<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: RE: Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...
>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:01:55 -0600
>
>Comments/concerns within...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Allyn [mailto:amalventano@sc.rr.com]
>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 2:38 PM
>To: mr.utility@highstream.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: Re: Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...
>
>
>1. whats a good entry point (you would have to drill somewhere)
>I think they do allude to drilling in some cases...  I personally am not
>against it, esp. if I think I will get as much of a gain as I will.  I 
>would
>only drill on the inside of the car however, and seal appropriately when
>finished...
>
>2. how do you get the foam distributed within all areas of the rocker?
>
>A very good question, especially once I see the cutaways that you 
>offered...
>I would say at this point you are a better expert than I am here!  :)  I do
>have a Rabbit body I could sacrifice for this, and perhaps do a write-up
>about it...  I might do well to go buy a Sawzall and go to town... It would
>be a bit of a pity, a good straight body like that....  What do you think,
>Allyn?  With your sectioning the Sciroccos, and me doing this Rabbit, could
>be come up with a plan for the best way to apply this stuff?
>I will call them tomorrow and ask if they have any direct experience with
>any particular import, and offer up our concerns for the multiple layers
>stopping flow...  Perhaps they will be able to offer some ideas as well...
>Let me know what you think, and I will report what the foam folks say...
>
>Regards,
>David
>
>
>also, heres another idea, check out this pic of the front engine bay:
>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/0-allyn/project/images/030121-225551-Z10.jpg
>there are a few plugs which would allow entry points without drilling
>there is also the area within the firewall:
>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/0-allyn/project/images/020328-125608-Z10.jpg
>(plug visible in this case)
>theres also some decent candidates in the rear:
>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/incoming/images/031122-130148-Z10.jpg
>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/incoming/images/031122-135553-Z10.jpg
>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/incoming/images/031122-135611-Z10.jpg
>especially the last one. that entire beam that wraps along the wheel well 
>is
>totally hollow, as well as the beam that runs across the bottom of the
>hatch, forward of the wheel wells. the part thats missing in this pic:
>http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/pics/0-allyn/project/images/030130-204021-Z10.jpg
>you can see the outline of where it started just forward of the base of the
>shock tower.
>
>anyhow, this may be more creative uses of extra foam than just throwing it
>into large vacant areas within the fenders/body.
>hth
>Al
>
>Al
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
>To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 3:16 PM
>Subject: Increase the rigidity/quiet of your A1...
>
>
> >
> > Hello Scirocco Listers,
> >    It is I, your favorite pest...  :)
> >
> >   I mentioned on another post some time back about using expanding foam 
>in
> > the cavities of our cars to increase rigidity and lessen unwanted
> > road/engine noise, and a few replied that you were interested...  I
>aplogize
> > to those that responded, as I have lost your names...  Please reply once
> > more, and I will do a better job of keeping up with it in the future...  
>I
> > also apologize for taking this long to post the link to the Vortex post 
>I
> > made some time back discussing it, as well as the article from Sport
>Compact
> > Car discussing it further...  I have been all over this, and I plan to 
>buy
> > some for at least three cars...  It then occurred to me that some of you
>may
> > be interested in this as well, so here is a direct inquiry for all of 
>you
> > intersted in participating in a group buy, please let me know...
> >
> > The article in Sport Compact Car is as follows...
> >
> > http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/projectcars/0006scc_proj300zx
> >
> > Look near the end for the mention of the foam...  I recommend reading 
>the
> > whole articl though, as you will see that they intend to double the
> > horsepower of that 300ZX.  They thought about a roll cage, but decided
>that
> > in that car, it was not feasible for a road-going two door.  This is 
>what
> > piqued my interest, as I am 6'4", can really cannot manga losing more
> > interior space, I need all that I have left and then some...  That, and
>the
> > fact that this is cheaper than a roll cage, AND it has sound dampening
> > abilities too?  Seems like a win-win situation...
> >
> > The manufacturer is as follows...
> >
> > http://www.itwfoamseal.com/
> >
> >   As far as we can tell, it would cost us about 150.00 or so including
> > shipping to do each car, and that is if we went crazy and did all open
> > cavities (as I intend to do
> >
> >   If you are interested, or even if you are not and you are bored and 
>need
> > something to read, (;-)) I invite you to look over the forwarded 
>material
> > and see what you think...  While I am no expert, I will be happy to 
>field
>as
> > many questions as I can...
> >
> > Let me know what you all think...
> >
> > Regards,
> >    David Utley
> >
> >
> >
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