Guess who joined the 2L club? [Dyno: 1.8 vs 2.0]

[juliemac57 at hotmail.com (Julie Macfarlane)]

Thats OK.
I got my first Rocc in about 1989 (Just found a few pics). Drove the 1.6/7 
for most of the time.
Its all the lists fault you know.
I was quite content with my pokey gold 1981 with 50 full blown horses. I 
could eat a Geo Tracker and be content.
2 years ago I stepped to the 16v 1.8L. Now I am after any thing with 5 or 
more cyls.....

Ummm. What to do when I get "bored" with this 2L monster motor? 1.8L 16v 
supercharged?

How about one of them 'Electric Turbo's' I hear they pump at least 1 
atmosphere!

ARRRRGGGGHHHH!

Julie Macfarlane
Menlo Park Research & Development
Internet Application Developer
www.menloparkrandd.com
www.montgomeryweb.org
Amsterdam NY





>From: Mike Smith <smithma7@yahoo.com>
>To: car <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: Re: Guess who joined the 2L club? [Dyno: 1.8 vs 2.0]
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
>
>grumble... my new mantra: Should have joined the list LAST year!
>
>I've wasted money.  If only I had known... I would have bought a 2l and 
>done it all myself (with help) instead of paying a pucket full of $ to have 
>the 1.8l rebuilt.
>
>AND I STILL WANT THE 2L NOW!!!  Ah well... project for the future.... no $ 
>now.  :(
>
>Mike
>as I
>
>Jason <jason@scirocco.org> wrote:
>At 06:54 AM 10/15/2003, Julie Macfarlane wrote:
> >Jason do you have a duno of the 1.8 and the 2L I could see? I would love
> >to compare them.
>
>
>Sure -- anything for you guys. :)
>
>http://www.scirocco16v.org/dyno/2-0%20vs%201-8.jpg
>
>What you'll see is that just off idle (ahem 1500rpm, Larry), the 2.0 puts
>down about 103 lb-ft of torque; the same as the 1.8 puts out at its peak.
>
>These curves are both from my car. They use the exact same fuel injection
>system, manifolds, exhaust, computers... everything. I literally did
>nothing but pull the block and head off and replace them... thus any
>differences are attributable directly to the engine and not any other mods
>or tuning.
>
>At high revs, the 2.0's advantage begins to wane. That's to be expected;
>even with the same head as a 1.8, it's got 10% more air to move in and out
>of those cylinders. That breathing difficulty is easily solved with the
>addition of a cam. Which, coincidentally, I will be demonstrating on a
>dyno this Saturday. [I hope!]
>
>
>Jason
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >Julie Macfarlane
> >Menlo Park Research & Development
> >Internet Application Developer
> >www.menloparkrandd.com
> >www.montgomeryweb.org
> >Amsterdam NY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "T. Reed"
> >>To: Jason
> >>CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >>Subject: Re: Guess who joined the 2L club?
> >>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:35:51 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >> > Remember that the 2.0 makes more torque off idle than the 1.8 does at 
>its
> >> > peak. There is a huge difference in drivability... the 2L is just a 
>much
> >>
> >>Eh-whaaa?? Are you sure about this? Last time I checked the 2l torque 
>peak
> >>was ~132hp at ~4000 rpm while the 1.8l torque peak was ~123hp at ~4250
> >>rpm. Yes, the powerband of the 2l is much broader but I can't see it
> >>making 123hp at idle!! That would kick ass, though!
> >>
> >>-Toby
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Congrats!
> >> > Jason
> >> >
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Scirocco-l mailing list
> >>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >>http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet
> >Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup
> >
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Scirocco-l mailing list
>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l
>
>word (wûrd)
>interj. Slang. Used to express approval or an affirmative response to 
>something. Sometimes used with up. Source
>
>---------------------------------
>Do you Yahoo!?
>The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
>_______________________________________________
>Scirocco-l mailing list
>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l

_________________________________________________________________
Surf and talk on the phone at the same time with broadband Internet access. 
Get high-speed for as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service 
providers in your area).  https://broadband.msn.com