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Brian,
You're right, the common man doesn't have a welder and maybe that is why =
some things are bolted together. However we are talking about a =
structural piece that I presume is planned to go into production. =
Welding this together in my mind would be stronger and would not present =
an additional shipping dilemma. Come to think of it, this would remove a =
possible place where the common man might not get it assembled =
correctly.
Rick Alexander
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Brian Wagner=20
To: Rick Alexander ; The list=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: crossmember update (more pics..)
I was actually asking the question aren't bolted connections stronger? =
I have heard this from different sources and was trying to get some =
clarification. If welding so why are some many things bolted together?
And for simplicity for the common owner doesn't have a welder, but =
usually owns the required wrenches.=20
It's all good.
=20
Rick Alexander <ralexander03@snet.net> wrote:=20
Better than welding, how? If the horizontal member is hollow then =
welding will be stronger. If it is solid (read heavy) then bolting might =
be better. Proper weld penetration could be stronger dependant upon the =
application.
Not that the government knows anything but answer me this. Why is it =
that in Connecticut if you try to register a home built trailer they =
will not allow any frame members to be bolted together. They all must be =
welded.
I also beg to differ with you on your contention that it is simpler. =
One piece welded vs. ten pieces bolted (counting washers).
Rick Alexander
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Brian Wagner=20
To: Rick Alexander ; The list=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: crossmember update (more pics..)
But isn't bolting better than welding?=20
I like the simplicity of the bolt together.=20
Brian=20
Rick Alexander <ralexander03@snet.net> wrote:=20
Toby,
Thanks for the links. Now I know what all that discussion was =
about. Having
entered this thread late I might ask some questions that you =
thought were
put to bed already. Bear with me, I need to know.
In picture "xmember3" are these to be inside of the horizontal =
member which
is hollow?
Are the horizontal and vertical members at the center bolted for =
ease of
development? Will this be welded in the production model?
In picture "xmember6" it appears that the vertical member under =
the mount is
not as wide as the mount. Should it be as wide or wider?
In picture "xmember1" the inside angle is a sharp 90 deg. Should =
this be a
radius to help it to not tear in that area?
What is the gauge of the vertical side members?
Thanks, enquiring minds and all...
Rick Alexander
----- Original Message -----
From: "T. Reed"=20
To: "Rick Alexander"=20
Cc: "The list"=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: crossmember update (more pics..)
> > Toby,
> >
> > Please send the links to your pictures for those of us who =
have lost
them.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rick Alexander
>
> http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember1.jpg
> http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember2.jpg
> http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember3.jpg
> http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember4.jpg
> http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember5.jpg
> http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember6.jpg
>
> -Toby
>
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<DIV><STRONG>Brian,</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>You're right, the common man doesn't have a welder and =
maybe that=20
is why some things are bolted together. However we are talking about a=20
structural piece that I presume is planned to go into production. =
Welding this=20
together in my mind would be stronger and would not present an =
additional=20
shipping dilemma. Come to think of it, this would remove a possible =
place=20
where the common man might not get it assembled =
correctly.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Rick Alexander</STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=3Dbrian_wagner@sbcglobal.net=20
href=3D"mailto:brian_wagner@sbcglobal.net";>Brian Wagner</A> </DIV>
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title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org =
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PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: crossmember update =
(more=20
pics..)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>I was actually asking the question aren't bolted connections =
stronger? I=20
have heard this from different sources and was trying to get some=20
clarification. If welding so why are some many things bolted =
together?</P>
<P>And for simplicity for the common owner doesn't have a welder, but =
usually=20
owns the required wrenches. </P>
<P>It's all good.</P>
<P>=20
<P> <B><I>Rick Alexander <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>ralexander03@snet.net</A>></I></=
B>=20
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<DIV><STRONG>Better than welding, how? If the horizontal member is =
hollow=20
then welding will be stronger. If it is solid (read heavy) then =
bolting=20
might be better. Proper weld =
penetration could be stronger=20
dependant upon the application.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Not that the government knows anything but answer me =
this. Why=20
is it that in Connecticut if you try to register a home built =
trailer they=20
will not allow any frame members to be bolted together. They all =
must be=20
welded.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I also beg to differ with you on your contention that =
it is=20
simpler. One piece welded vs. ten pieces bolted (counting=20
washers).</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Rick Alexander</STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=3Dbrian_wagner@sbcglobal.net=20
href=3D"mailto:brian_wagner@sbcglobal.net";>Brian Wagner</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dralexander03@snet.net=20
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>Rick Alexander</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>The=20
list</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 04, =
2003 2:17=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: crossmember =
update (more=20
pics..)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>But isn't bolting better than welding?=20
<P>I like the simplicity of the bolt together.=20
<P>Brian=20
<P> <B><I>Rick Alexander <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>ralexander03@snet.net</A>></I></=
B>=20
wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px solid">Toby,<BR><BR>Thanks=20
for the links. Now I know what all that discussion was about.=20
Having<BR>entered this thread late I might ask some questions =
that you=20
thought were<BR>put to bed already. Bear with me, I need to=20
know.<BR><BR>In picture "xmember3" are these to be inside of the =
horizontal member which<BR>is hollow?<BR><BR>Are the horizontal =
and=20
vertical members at the center bolted for ease =
of<BR>development? Will=20
this be welded in the production model?<BR><BR>In picture =
"xmember6" it=20
appears that the vertical member under the mount is<BR>not as =
wide as=20
the mount. Should it be as wide or wider?<BR><BR>In picture =
"xmember1"=20
the inside angle is a sharp 90 deg. Should this be a<BR>radius =
to help=20
it to not tear in that area?<BR><BR>What is the gauge of the =
vertical=20
side members?<BR><BR>Thanks, enquiring minds and =
all...<BR><BR>Rick=20
Alexander<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "T. Reed" =
<TREED2@U.WASHINGTON.EDU><BR>To: "Rick Alexander"=20
<RALEXANDER03@SNET.NET><BR>Cc: "The list"=20
<SCIROCCO-L@SCIROCCO.ORG><BR>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:16=20
PM<BR>Subject: Re: crossmember update (more =
pics..)<BR><BR><BR>> >=20
Toby,<BR>> ><BR>> > Please send the links to your =
pictures=20
for those of us who have lost<BR>them.<BR>> ><BR>> > =
Thanks,<BR>> ><BR>> > Rick Alexander<BR>><BR>> =
http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember1.jpg<BR>>=20
http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember2.jpg<BR>>=20
http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember3.jpg<BR>>=20
http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember4.jpg<BR>>=20
http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember5.jpg<BR>>=20
=
http://students.washington.edu/~treed2/xmember6.jpg<BR>><BR>>=20
=
-Toby<BR>><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<=
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