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Yes I mean ice track racing.
What tires would you have used for ice/snow conditions?
Right now I have some Goodyear Ultragrip with #18 studs (tires were =
originally supposed to use #13 studs), traction is fairly decent (for =
what you can expect on ice...) however I may try my hand at the Modified =
class where bolted tires are used. I've only setup the suspension by =
eye, but have kept things very conservative, Using the rear as a =
reference, the front have about the same camber. that's what -1.5deg? So =
if I take some out I should get more straight line traction? Also what =
kinds of pressures (tire) would you recommend?
Thanks.
BTW, incase anyone is interested, I placed 2nd in a field of 16 cars =
last weekend in my first real race. And I'm sure theres those out there =
that would be happy to hear I beat all the civics out there, even =
another Scirocco... :) Racing is such a blast....
Jason Adams
Fahrvergnugen Forever! ;)
84 rocco 16v
93 320i
98 Z71
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott F. Williams=20
To: Jason Adams ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:26 PM
Subject: RE: Alignment settings
What do I do for "non-street"? You mean rally? Or, do you mean autox =
or something? Well, to tackle both those topics, my dirt/gravel =
alignment was -2deg camber while on snow/ice I'd run 0 -.5deg camber. =
There just wasn't enough lateral grip to need any more. I planned to =
increase caster via bushings but never got around to it.
Now, I'm no autox suspension expert, but the Monster Rocc will be set =
up for paved backroads. I'm going to run -2deg camber with a tiny bit of =
toe out in the front (not sure how much yet). I'll also install those =
caster adding bushings. They can be purchased from BSI Racing: =
<http://www.bsiracing.com>
HTH
--
Scott F. Williams
NJ Scirocco nut
'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adams [mailto:roclist@accessconsulting.ca]
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:48 PM
To: Scott F. Williams; Sebastian Liberona; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Alignment settings
So what do you use for non street?
I've got mine set up with a little toe out (in front), and -ve =
camber of course. Rear is stock.
The midline steering is a little neutral, meaning I can Jiggle the =
wheel ~3/4" either side of center without much movement from car, =
however when it turn the wheel I really like the turn in...
Jason Adams
Fahrvergnugen Forever! ;)
84 rocco 16v
93 320i
98 Z71
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott F. Williams=20
To: Sebastian Liberona ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: Alignment settings
I always align my street cars to -1.5deg camber up front with zero =
toe. I leave the rear alone. Did you get a print out describing how your =
car was set up? Are you sure that your tire pressures are consistent all =
the way around?
--
Scott F. Williams
NJ Scirocco nut
'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."=20
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org =
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Sebastian Liberona
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:59 AM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Alignment settings
I was wondering what settings i should use for toe and camber on =
the front. i got it aligned and they screwed it up, the car pulls to the =
side and the rear always feels like it wants to fishtail. what settings =
should i use? my car is lowered about 2.1 inches. thanks
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes I mean ice track =
racing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What tires would you have used for =
ice/snow=20
conditions?</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><BR>Right now I have some Goodyear Ultragrip with #18 studs (tires =
were=20
originally supposed to use #13 studs), traction is fairly decent (for =
what you=20
can expect on ice...) however I may try my hand at the Modified class =
where=20
bolted tires are used. I've only setup the suspension by eye, but =
have=20
kept things very conservative, Using the rear as a reference, the front =
have=20
about the same camber. that's what -1.5deg? So if I take some out I =
should get=20
more straight line traction? Also what kinds of pressures (tire) would =
you=20
recommend?</DIV>
<DIV></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW, incase anyone is interested, I =
placed 2nd in a=20
field of 16 cars last weekend in my first real race. And I'm sure =
theres=20
those out there that would be happy to hear I beat all the civics out =
there,=20
even another Scirocco... :) Racing is such a =
blast....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jason Adams<BR>Fahrvergnugen Forever! ;)<BR>84 rocco 16v<BR>93 =
320i<BR>98=20
Z71<BR></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsfwilliams@comcast.net =
href=3D"mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net";>Scott F.=20
Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Droclist@accessconsulting.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:roclist@accessconsulting.ca";>Jason Adams</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003 =
12:26=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Alignment =
settings</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D060271620-27012003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>What=20
do I do for "non-street"? You mean rally? Or, do you mean autox or =
something?=20
Well, to tackle both those topics, my dirt/gravel alignment was -2deg =
camber=20
while on snow/ice I'd run 0 -.5deg camber. There just wasn't enough =
lateral=20
grip to need any more. I planned to increase caster via bushings =
but=20
never got around to it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D060271620-27012003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D060271620-27012003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Now,=20
I'm no autox suspension expert, but the Monster Rocc will be set up =
for paved=20
backroads. I'm going to run -2deg camber with a tiny bit of toe =
out in=20
the front (not sure how much yet). I'll also install those caster =
adding bushings. They can be purchased from BSI Racing: <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.bsiracing.com";><http://www.bsiracing.com</A>></F=
ONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D060271620-27012003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D060271620-27012003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>HTH</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>--<BR>Scott F. Williams<BR>NJ Scirocco nut<BR>'99 =
Subaru=20
Impreza 2.5 RS<BR>Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle<BR>Golf GTI =
16v=20
"rollycar"<BR>ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jason Adams=20
[mailto:roclist@accessconsulting.ca]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January =
27,=20
2003 12:48 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Scott F. Williams; Sebastian Liberona;=20
scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Alignment=20
settings<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So what do you use for non =
street?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've got mine set up with a little =
toe out (in=20
front), and -ve camber of course. Rear is stock.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The midline steering is a little =
neutral,=20
meaning I can Jiggle the wheel ~3/4" either side of =
center without much=20
movement from car, however when it turn the wheel I really like the =
turn=20
in...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Jason Adams<BR>Fahrvergnugen Forever! ;)<BR>84 rocco 16v<BR>93=20
320i<BR>98 Z71<BR></DIV>
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsfwilliams@comcast.net =
href=3D"mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net";>Scott=20
F. Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dsmash593@shaw.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:smash593@shaw.ca";>Sebastian Liberona</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, =
2003 4:21=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Alignment =
settings</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D690001812-27012003><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>I always align my street cars to -1.5deg camber up front =
with zero=20
toe. I leave the rear alone. Did you get a print out describing =
how your=20
car was set up? Are you sure that your tire pressures are =
consistent all=20
the way around?<BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT size=3D2>--<BR>Scott F.=20
Williams<BR>NJ Scirocco nut<BR>'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS<BR>Mazda =
323 GTX=20
turbo "assaulted" vehicle<BR>Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"<BR>ClubVAC: =
"Roads=20
found. Drivers wanted."</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org=20
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Sebastian=20
Liberona<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 27, 2003 2:59 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Alignment=20
settings<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was wondering what settings i =
should use=20
for toe and camber on the front. i got it aligned and they =
screwed it=20
up, the car pulls to the side and the rear always feels like it =
wants to=20
fishtail. what settings should i use? my car is lowered about =
2.1=20
inches.=20
thanks</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></=
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