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Dude, wait for a nicer one.  You live in California for gods sake.....they are there, just be patient.  The S sounds better than the Champegne, just because, RUST SUCKS ASS.  I looked at the pics of the S...and to be honest, I got a WAY WAY nicer S here in Colorado for $1100....so hold out, skip them both, and wait for a nice one....maybe randy is willing to sell his cosmos? :-P

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Eric
Northglenn, CO

81 Scirocco S (*TDI* swap and complete restoration in holding pattern)
81 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel (Waiting for BAE Turbo Install)
83 Scirocco Wolfsburg
91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow 8v swap and mechanical rebuild in progress)


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Wusup, everyone?

I went and looked at a Cosmos Silver 81S today and need lots of =
opinions. Below will be the owner's description to me when I asked for =
more details. After seeing it, the description is quite accurate and he =
seems like an honest guy. He said he'd let it go for $800. But the fact =
it's been hit makes me a tad uneasy. I also took a bunch (23) of =
pictures:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jtoomasson/lst?.dir=3D/Work&.view=3Dt

I've also been trying to get in touch with a guy who has a '78 champagne =
edition (he's the only owner and it has lots of suspension goodies, 15" =
BBS (older ones) and a Neuspeed big brake kit). The '78 doesn't run and =
needs a front wheel bearing and has "rust issues" (the extent of which I =
haven't seen yet). To this point, the guy's been a complete flake. I =
think I could get this one for under $500 (probably much less).

So - the question is:  do I hold out for the Champagne (which is more =
rare and has more goodies), get this 81S which is a decent platform and =
runs pretty well, or hold out for a sterling example?  My true vote is =
get the 78 and if it's not salvageable, pillage it for parts and hold =
out for a better S. Let's just say it would take a LOT to get the wife =
to allow that scenario!  :)

 But my main concern is that nice S's or Champagnes don't come around =
that often and when they do, they're $$$...

The ultimate goal is a complete restoration/near-show-quality 200 hp JH =
turbo which must be an original special edition...

Thanks in advance everyone!   Jeff
_________
  The two front tires are Firestone, while the rear wheels are =
different.  It's dark so I can't totally make out what brand they are.  =
All four tires look like they have at least 4000 miles on them, but I'm =
by no means a tire specialist.

  The mileage just broke 195,100.  The miles on the engine are probably =
less than half since much of the engine was rebuilt about 1995 or 96.

  I've personally replaced the heater/vent fan switch, rear brake shoes, =
brake-light sensor, the starter, all the plugs and wires, distributor =
cap and the battery during the time I've owned the car.  I also have a =
set of front brakes that don't need to go in yet since the old ones seem =
fine.

  There were no aftermarket mods added to this this car that I can tell. =
 There's no wing or spoiler, etc.

  The body is in great condition.  The backside was in an accident =
before I before I bought the car, but I've seen no problem with the =
structural integrity of the vehicle.  Everything seems aligned, there's =
just a little bit of damage on the driver's side of the bumper.
  The engine runs really well.  I got a smog check about a year ago and =
it passed with no problems.  The car was owned by a mechanic in the =
mid-90's and he apparently rebuilt a majority of the engine.  I've taken =
care of the car with oil changes every 3000, have done regular tune-ups =
on it (twice I've done the plugs, plug-wires, distributor cap, rotor), =
and I've been pretty gentle with the engine, always letting the car warm =
up for at least 30 seconds before driving away, never jumping =
immediately on the freeway.  I always use Unleaded Plus fuel, because =
the mechanic who rebuilt it recommended it.
  The interior is really good shape and is clean.  I've kept the inside =
armoralled, while nice seat covers and a dashmat have reduced sun =
damage.  Since it's the limited S model, it has a nice jet-black dash.  =
It also has a hertz gear shifter.
  The owner before me, about four years ago, installed a really nice =
sound system.  It has a pioneer single CD player with two infinity =
speakers and a woofer in the trunk.  The sound is excellent.

  The E-brake shaft was bent by a mechanic who pulled it too hard (I =
guess the guy had never heard of using blocks at the wheels).  I =
disconnected the E-brake and have yet to repair it.
  There's a crack across the windsheild.  It already existed when I =
bought the car, but it has grown about an inch and half every winter.  =
It's below eye level.
  The heater vent fan stopped working a few months ago.  The switch was =
having problems (only the 2 and 3 levels worked).  The fan stopped =
working altogether.  So I replaced the switch and the fuse, but the fan =
is still not operational.  It may be the motor or resistors.
  The driver's exterior door handle came loose (the contraption on the =
inside came loose), but the inside one still works.  I have yet to =
repair this.
  The air-conditioning unit was removed sometime in the car's history. =20
  One of the sun-visor hooks broke, but both look like they need =
replacing.
  There's a spot of rust damage on the passenger side door handle.
  It tends to leak water into the car in heavy rains, like the one we =
had a month ago.
  The dash lights flicker a little bit when the car is idling after a =
really long drive.

  This is all I can think of I see wrong with the car.  The car has =
treated me extremely well and I have treated it really well in return.  =
It's a fun, zippy and surprisingly fast ride that I'm gonna miss.  =
People often mistake my car for a pinto-like vehicle and try to pass me, =
but my car still has a lot of power left and if I drop back into 4th, I =
can usually pass them up again.  The car still has life and I want =
someone who is going to appreciate it to take it over.  I know I would =
run it into the ground with my commute to school, so I'm selling it.  =
$1200 obo as is.

  I think someone who knows a little bit about old wet-VW's would have a =
very easy time with this car and have fun driving it.  I'm mainly =
looking to sell it to someone who will take care of it and fix it up or =
at least keep it running, which is the main reason I am selling it (so I =
don't drive it into the ground with my 20 minute commute to school.)

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jtoomasson/lst?.dir=3D/Work&.view=3Dt
  Wish me luck...




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wusup, everyone?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I went and looked at a Cosmos Silver =
81S today and=20
need lots of opinions. Below will be the owner's description to me =
when&nbsp;I=20
asked for more details. After seeing it, the description is quite =
accurate and=20
he seems like an honest guy. He said he'd let it go for $800. But the =
fact it's=20
been hit makes me a tad uneasy.&nbsp;I also took a bunch (23) of=20
pictures:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A=20
href=3D"http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jtoomasson/lst?.dir=3D/Work&amp;.view=3D=
t">http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jtoomasson/lst?.dir=3D/Work&amp;.view=3Dt</=
A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I've also&nbsp;been trying to get in touch with a guy who has a '78 =

champagne edition (he's the only owner and it has lots of suspension =
goodies,=20
15" BBS (older ones) and a Neuspeed big brake kit). The '78 doesn't run =
and=20
needs a front wheel bearing and has "rust issues" (the extent of which I =
haven't=20
seen yet). To this point, the guy's been a complete flake. I think I =
could get=20
this one for under $500 (probably much less).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>So - the question is:&nbsp; do I hold out for the Champagne (which =
is more=20
rare and has more goodies), get this 81S which is a decent platform and =
runs=20
pretty well, or hold out for a sterling example?&nbsp; My true vote is =
get the=20
78 and if it's&nbsp;not salvageable, pillage it for parts and hold out =
for a=20
better S. Let's just say it would take a LOT to get the wife to allow =
that=20
scenario!&nbsp; :)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;But my main concern is that nice S's or Champagnes don't come =
around=20
that often and when they do, they're $$$...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The ultimate goal is a complete restoration/near-show-quality 200 =
hp JH=20
turbo which must be an original&nbsp;special edition...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks in advance everyone!&nbsp;&nbsp; Jeff</DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>_________</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The two front tires are Firestone, =
while the rear=20
  wheels are different.&nbsp; It's dark so I can't totally make out what =
brand=20
  they are.&nbsp; All four tires look like they have at least 4000 miles =
on=20
  them, but I'm by no means a tire specialist.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The mileage just broke 195,100.&nbsp; =
The miles=20
  on the engine are probably less than half since much of =
the&nbsp;engine was=20
  rebuilt about 1995 or 96.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've personally replaced&nbsp;the =
heater/vent fan=20
  switch, rear brake shoes, brake-light sensor,&nbsp;the starter, all =
the plugs=20
  and wires,&nbsp;distributor cap&nbsp;and the battery during the time =
I've=20
  owned the car.&nbsp; I also have a set of front brakes that don't need =
to go=20
  in yet since the old ones seem fine.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There were no aftermarket mods added =
to this this=20
  car that I can tell.&nbsp; There's no wing or spoiler, =
etc.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The body is in great condition.&nbsp; =
The=20
  backside was in an accident before I before I bought the car, but I've =
seen no=20
  problem with the structural integrity of the vehicle.&nbsp; Everything =
seems=20
  aligned, there's just a little bit of damage on the driver's side of =
the=20
  bumper.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The engine runs really well.&nbsp; I =
got&nbsp;a=20
  smog check about a year ago and it passed with no problems.&nbsp; The =
car was=20
  owned by a mechanic in the mid-90's and he apparently rebuilt a =
majority of=20
  the engine.&nbsp; I've taken care of the car with oil changes every =
3000, have=20
  done regular tune-ups on it (twice I've done the plugs, plug-wires,=20
  distributor cap, rotor), and I've been pretty gentle with the engine, =
always=20
  letting the car warm up for at least 30 seconds before driving away, =
never=20
  jumping immediately on the freeway.&nbsp; I always use Unleaded Plus =
fuel,=20
  because the mechanic who rebuilt it recommended it.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The interior is really good shape and =
is=20
  clean.&nbsp; I've kept the inside armoralled, while nice seat covers =
and a=20
  dashmat have reduced sun damage.&nbsp; Since it's the limited S model, =
it=20
  has&nbsp;a nice jet-black dash.&nbsp; It also has a hertz gear=20
  shifter.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The owner before me, about four years =
ago,=20
  installed a really nice sound system.&nbsp; It has a pioneer single CD =
player=20
  with two infinity speakers and a woofer in the trunk.&nbsp; The sound =
is=20
  excellent.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The E-brake shaft was bent by a =
mechanic who=20
  pulled it too hard (I guess the guy had never heard of using blocks at =
the=20
  wheels).&nbsp; I disconnected the E-brake and have yet to repair=20
  it.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There's a crack across the =
windsheild.&nbsp; It=20
  already existed when I bought the car, but it has grown about an inch =
and=20
  half&nbsp;every winter.&nbsp; It's below eye level.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The heater vent fan stopped working a =
few months=20
  ago.&nbsp; The switch was having problems (only the&nbsp;2 and 3 =
levels=20
  worked).&nbsp;&nbsp;The fan stopped working altogether.&nbsp; So I =
replaced=20
  the switch and the&nbsp;fuse, but the fan is still not =
operational.&nbsp; It=20
  may be the motor or resistors.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The driver's&nbsp;exterior door =
handle came loose=20
  (the contraption on the&nbsp;inside came loose), but the inside one =
still=20
  works.&nbsp; I have yet to repair this.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The air-conditioning unit was removed =
sometime in=20
  the car's history.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One of the sun-visor hooks broke, but =
both look=20
  like they need replacing.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There's a spot of rust damage on the =
passenger=20
  side door handle.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It tends to leak water into the car =
in heavy=20
  rains, like the one we had a month ago.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The dash lights flicker a little bit =
when the car=20
  is idling after a really long drive.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is all I can think of I see =
wrong with the=20
  car.&nbsp; The car has treated me extremely well and I have treated it =
really=20
  well in return.&nbsp; It's a fun, zippy=20
  and&nbsp;surprisingly&nbsp;fast&nbsp;ride that I'm gonna miss.&nbsp; =
People=20
  often mistake my car for a pinto-like vehicle and try to pass me, but =
my car=20
  still has a lot of power left and if I drop back into 4th, I can =
usually pass=20
  them up again.&nbsp; The car still has life and I want someone who is =
going to=20
  appreciate it to take it over.&nbsp; I know&nbsp;I would&nbsp;run it =
into the=20
  ground with my commute to school, so I'm selling it.&nbsp; $1200 obo =
as=20
  is.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think someone who knows a little =
bit about old=20
  wet-VW's would have a very easy time with this car and have fun =
driving=20
  it.&nbsp; I'm mainly looking to sell it to someone who will take care =
of it=20
  and fix it up or at least keep it running, which is the main reason I =
am=20
  selling it (so I don't drive it into the ground with my 20 =
minute&nbsp;commute=20
  to school.)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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  <DIV>Wish me luck...</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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