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Get back to us on that after 100K miles.....
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Joe Doty=20
To: Anthony Pelletier ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: JE Pistons & block assembly
Yeah. I like to use WD-40 when installing pistons.
FWIW, I did pretty much everything "wrong" when I was assembling this
last engine. I was in too much of a hurry to get the car running.
Forgot to lube the bores, forgot to prelube bearings, etc...I can't
remember if I primed the oil pump. After 10k turbo miles the car =
hasn't
burned a drop of oil. Just goes to show that you don't need to be =
anal
when it comes to engine building...
Joe Doty
IT/Development
joe@lcnetwork.com=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Pelletier [mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: Neal Tovsen; Chris DeLong; ralexander03@snet.net; scirocco-
> l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly
>=20
> Correct me if I am wrong, but the concensus is that we
> are supposed to use motor oil on the bores when
> installing the pisons/rings?
>=20
> Tony
>=20
> --- Neal Tovsen <nealtovsen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "the wet engine"?? What does that mean?
> >
> > Neal
> >
> > --- Chris DeLong <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Motor oil is exactly what I used when lubing the
> > > cylinders during assembly.
> > > That was the wet engine. ahh the things you learn
> > > when you are young lol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris DeLong
> > > ICQ#45030867
> > > Seattle, WA USA
> > > '80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
> > > '91 GLi 2.0 16V (for sale)
> > > '77 Rabbit 16V
> > > '61 17 Window type II
> > > '91 Vanagon
> > > '84 Jetta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Neal Tovsen <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: Rick Alexander <ralexander03@snet.net>,
> > > scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > >Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly
> > > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:47:59 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Phew! Yeah, I used motor oil when I installed the
> > > >rings. I only used molly assembly lube on
> > threaded
> > > >bolts where specified by ARP or whatever, and on
> > > >bearing surfaces.
> > > >
> > > >Neal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Rick Alexander <ralexander03@snet.net> wrote:
> > > > > It's Molly lube that you are not supposed to
> > put
> > > on
> > > > > rings. It's some sort of
> > > > > chemical reaction thing that will affect the
> > > seating
> > > > > of the rings. Least
> > > > > wise that's what I remember learning. I always
> > > oil
> > > > > them up good.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Alexander
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Neal" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com>;
> > > > > <vwnuts@yahoo.com>;
> > > > > <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:44 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: JE Pistons & block assembly
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > A ring file is basically a fine pitch flat
> > > file.
> > > > > make sure you
> > > > > > > measure them.
> > > > > > > usually they dont need to be filed but you
> > > dont
> > > > > want to find out the
> > > > > hard
> > > > > > > way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JE rings will DEFINITELY need to be filed.
> > > Mine
> > > > > had zero gap out of the
> > > > > box.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > DO NOT LUBE THE CYLINDER BORES AFTER
> > > INSTALLING
> > > > > THE RINGS. this will
> > > > > > > end you up with a "wet" engine which will
> > > cause
> > > > > the rings not to
> > > > > > > seat and it
> > > > > > > will burn oil constantly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmmm...I've NEVER heard that before. It
> > wasn't
> > > > > mentioned in the books I
> > > > > > read. And I definitely don't know everything
> > > about
> > > > > engine building, but I
> > > > > > don't understand why that would happen
> > either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any oil on top of the rings will get burned
> > in
> > > > > combustion. Any oil between
> > > > > > the rings is MEANT to be there, right? Or
> > are
> > > > > those not oil galleys in the
> > > > > > piston that exit between the rings? And of
> > > course
> > > > > the oil sprayers (if you
> > > > > > have them) will spray the bottom of the
> > > pistons,
> > > > > feeding those galleys.
> > > > > How
> > > > > > does some oil on the rings during assembly
> > > harm
> > > > > things, exactly?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, I hope my engine still breaks in OK!
> > > After
> > > > > only 100 miles, it
> > > > > > doesn't seem to consume any real amounts of
> > > oil,
> > > > > considering I know I have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > slight gasket leak and that they're forged
> > > > > pistons...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > you should also have the bottom end
> > > > > > > balanced while
> > > > > > > you have it all apart. make sure to use
> > lube
> > > on
> > > > > the bearing journals
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > assembling. oh and dont forget to bring
> > the
> > > > > pistons with you when
> > > > > > > you drop
> > > > > > > off the block. they will need them to bore
> > > it
> > > > > properly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yup. Yup. Yup!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neal
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Get back to us on that after 100K=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:Joe.Doty@lcnetwork.com"; =
title=3DJoe.Doty@lcnetwork.com>Joe=20
Doty</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com"=20
title=3Dvwnuts@yahoo.com>Anthony Pelletier</A> ; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 24, 2003 =
1:48=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: JE Pistons & =
block=20
assembly</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Yeah. I like to use WD-40 when installing=20
pistons.<BR><BR>FWIW, I did pretty much everything "wrong" when I was=20
assembling this<BR>last engine. I was in too much of a hurry to =
get the=20
car running.<BR>Forgot to lube the bores, forgot to prelube bearings, =
etc...I=20
can't<BR>remember if I primed the oil pump. After 10k turbo =
miles the=20
car hasn't<BR>burned a drop of oil. Just goes to show that you =
don't=20
need to be anal<BR>when it comes to engine building...<BR><BR>Joe=20
Doty<BR>IT/Development<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:joe@lcnetwork.com";>joe@lcnetwork.com</A> <BR><BR>>=20
-----Original Message-----<BR>> From: Anthony Pelletier [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com";>mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com</A>]<BR>> =
Sent:=20
Monday, February 24, 2003 12:56 PM<BR>> To: Neal Tovsen; Chris =
DeLong; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>ralexander03@snet.net</A>;=20
scirocco-<BR>> <A =
href=3D"mailto:l@scirocco.org";>l@scirocco.org</A><BR>>=20
Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly<BR>> <BR>> Correct =
me if I=20
am wrong, but the concensus is that we<BR>> are supposed to use =
motor oil=20
on the bores when<BR>> installing the pisons/rings?<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
Tony<BR>> <BR>> --- Neal Tovsen <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com";>nealtovsen@yahoo.com</A>> =
wrote:<BR>>=20
> "the wet engine"?? What does that mean?<BR>> ><BR>> > =
Neal<BR>> ><BR>> > --- Chris DeLong <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:green536@hotmail.com";>green536@hotmail.com</A>> =
wrote:<BR>>=20
> > Motor oil is exactly what I used when lubing the<BR>> =
> >=20
cylinders during assembly.<BR>> > > That was the wet engine. =
ahh the=20
things you learn<BR>> > > when you are young lol<BR>> > =
><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > > Chris=20
DeLong<BR>> > > ICQ#45030867<BR>> > > Seattle, WA=20
USA<BR>> > > '80 16V 'Rocco ragtop<BR>> > > '91 GLi =
2.0 16V=20
(for sale)<BR>> > > '77 Rabbit 16V<BR>> > > '61 17 =
Window=20
type II<BR>> > > '91 Vanagon<BR>> > > '84 =
Jetta<BR>> >=20
><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> =
>=20
><BR>> > > >From: Neal Tovsen <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com";>nealtovsen@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>=
>=20
> >To: Rick Alexander <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>ralexander03@snet.net</A>>,<BR>&=
gt;=20
> > <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t; >=20
> >Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly<BR>> > =
>=20
>Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:47:59 -0800 (PST)<BR>> > > =
><BR>>=20
> > >Phew! Yeah, I used motor oil when I installed =
the<BR>> >=20
> >rings. I only used molly assembly lube on<BR>> >=20
threaded<BR>> > > >bolts where specified by ARP or =
whatever, and=20
on<BR>> > > >bearing surfaces.<BR>> > > =
><BR>> >=20
> >Neal<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> =
> >=20
>--- Rick Alexander <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:ralexander03@snet.net";>ralexander03@snet.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> > > > > It's Molly lube that you are not =
supposed=20
to<BR>> > put<BR>> > > on<BR>> > > > > =
rings.=20
It's some sort of<BR>> > > > > chemical reaction thing =
that=20
will affect the<BR>> > > seating<BR>> > > > > =
of the=20
rings. Least<BR>> > > > > wise that's what I remember =
learning.=20
I always<BR>> > > oil<BR>> > > > > them up=20
good.<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Rick=20
Alexander<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > =
-----=20
Original Message -----<BR>> > > > > From: "Neal" <<A =
=
href=3D"mailto:nealtovsen@yahoo.com";>nealtovsen@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>=
>=20
> > > To: "Chris DeLong" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:green536@hotmail.com";>green536@hotmail.com</A>>;<BR>>=
; >=20
> > > <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com";>vwnuts@yahoo.com</A>>;<BR>> =
> >=20
> > <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>><B=
R>>=20
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:44 PM<BR>> =
>=20
> > > Subject: RE: JE Pistons & block assembly<BR>> =
> >=20
> ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > =
><BR>>=20
> > > > > > A ring file is basically a fine pitch=20
flat<BR>> > > file.<BR>> > > > > make sure =
you<BR>>=20
> > > > > > measure them.<BR>> > > > =
> >=20
> usually they dont need to be filed but you<BR>> > > =
dont<BR>>=20
> > > > want to find out the<BR>> > > > >=20
hard<BR>> > > > > > > way.<BR>> > > > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > > > JE rings will DEFINITELY need to =
be=20
filed.<BR>> > > Mine<BR>> > > > > had zero gap =
out of=20
the<BR>> > > > > box.<BR>> > > > > =
><BR>>=20
> > > > > > DO NOT LUBE THE CYLINDER BORES =
AFTER<BR>>=20
> > INSTALLING<BR>> > > > > THE RINGS. this =
will<BR>>=20
> > > > > > end you up with a "wet" engine which=20
will<BR>> > > cause<BR>> > > > > the rings not =
to<BR>> > > > > > > seat and it<BR>> > > =
>=20
> > > will burn oil constantly.<BR>> > > > >=20
><BR>> > > > > > Hmmm...I've NEVER heard that =
before.=20
It<BR>> > wasn't<BR>> > > > > mentioned in the =
books=20
I<BR>> > > > > > read. And I definitely don't know=20
everything<BR>> > > about<BR>> > > > > engine=20
building, but I<BR>> > > > > > don't understand why =
that=20
would happen<BR>> > either.<BR>> > > > > =
><BR>>=20
> > > > > Any oil on top of the rings will get =
burned<BR>>=20
> in<BR>> > > > > combustion. Any oil =
between<BR>> >=20
> > > > the rings is MEANT to be there, right? Or<BR>> =
>=20
are<BR>> > > > > those not oil galleys in the<BR>> =
> >=20
> > > piston that exit between the rings? And of<BR>> > =
>=20
course<BR>> > > > > the oil sprayers (if you<BR>> =
> >=20
> > > have them) will spray the bottom of the<BR>> > =
>=20
pistons,<BR>> > > > > feeding those galleys.<BR>> =
> >=20
> > How<BR>> > > > > > does some oil on the =
rings=20
during assembly<BR>> > > harm<BR>> > > > > =
things,=20
exactly?<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > =
>=20
Anyway, I hope my engine still breaks in OK!<BR>> > > =
After<BR>>=20
> > > > only 100 miles, it<BR>> > > > > =
>=20
doesn't seem to consume any real amounts of<BR>> > > =
oil,<BR>>=20
> > > > considering I know I have<BR>> > > > =
>=20
a<BR>> > > > > > slight gasket leak and that they're =
forged<BR>> > > > > pistons...<BR>> > > > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > > > > you should also have the =
bottom=20
end<BR>> > > > > > > balanced while<BR>> > =
>=20
> > > > you have it all apart. make sure to use<BR>> =
>=20
lube<BR>> > > on<BR>> > > > > the bearing=20
journals<BR>> > > > > when<BR>> > > > > =
>=20
> assembling. oh and dont forget to bring<BR>> > the<BR>> =
>=20
> > > pistons with you when<BR>> > > > > > =
> you=20
drop<BR>> > > > > > > off the block. they will =
need them=20
to bore<BR>> > > it<BR>> > > > > =
properly.<BR>>=20
> > > > ><BR>> > > > > > Yup. Yup.=20
Yup!<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > =
Neal<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > =
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