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Scott makes perfect sense to me.
Now, I have the solution:
Raise the front of the car about four inches over stock! =20
WA-LA....perfect camber-change characteristics, no fat-tire rubbing =
issues, the end of oil pan scraping, the cessation of =
water-puddle-induced vee-belt slippage...all in one fell swoop.
You rally-types also benefit from increased ground clearance and it =
would be a powerful "anti-ricer" statement. (more like an American, =
back-to-the-fifties drag look)
Next problem, please.... (expect my bill in 30 days)
:)
Larry
sandiego16v
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Scott F. Williams=20
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: folks w/lowered cars, please comment...
HOLD UP! There's NO need for heim joints at all. Our tierods are as =
rigid as they need to be and mounting them from underneath is totally =
easy and cheap to accomplish. Let's nix this part of the thread; it =
isn't going to take us anywhere practical. As for the need to eliminate =
bump steer, it is certainly a noble and fruitful quest to fulfill. It is =
also simply and cheaply rectified via the tie-rod relocation.
=20
Simply maintaining proper camber while cornering, however, is more =
important than anything else. That's where the spacers between the a-arm =
and spindles work. When the a-arms point upwards, we get nasty changes =
to the camber that reduce cornering grip. One method to deal with this =
is to run negative camber up front. Another is to increase the front =
roll resistance with stiffer springs and/or bigger anti-roll bars. We =
all know how great the improvement that is imparted to our car's =
handling when we do these mods.
=20
The outside wheel sits more square with the ground which allows the =
contact patch to better do its job. The exact *opposite* occurs with the =
inside wheel, however. It goes into a hyper-extended negative position =
which levers the contact patch off the ground and causes spin. A big =
front bar makes this even worse. (Insert Shine Racing no front bar =
rhetoric here.) Cars equipped with a limited slip differential can get =
away with this and end up with one wheel drive. But if you're running an =
open diff, then you end up with less than that!
=20
Anyway, keeping the a-arms parallel to the ground lessens this effect =
drastically. There is no doubt about this fact. It ain't theory. The =
safey aspect has been proven in the design that I'm looking at. So, the =
big question here, really, is whether or not the spacers can be produced =
for an affordable price. Given the benefits that they should provide, =
I'd consider them an absolute bargain at $150 and a decent deal at $200. =
Beyond that, I'd be pissed off. I might pay as much as $250 given the =
gains in handling performance, but I wouldn't be happy about it.
--
Scott F. Williams
NJ Scirocco nut
'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Scott makes perfect sense to =
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now, I have the solution:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> Raise the front of the car about =
four inches=20
over stock! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WA-LA....perfect camber-change =
characteristics, no=20
fat-tire rubbing issues, the end of oil pan scraping, the cessation of=20
water-puddle-induced vee-belt slippage...all in one fell =
swoop.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You rally-types also benefit from =
increased=20
ground clearance and it would be a powerful "anti-ricer" statement. =
(more like=20
an American, back-to-the-fifties drag look)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Next problem, please.... (expect =
my bill in=20
30 days)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>:)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sandiego16v</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:sfwilliams@comcast.net"; =
title=3Dsfwilliams@comcast.net>Scott F.=20
Williams</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 19, 2003 =
8:16=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: folks w/lowered =
cars, please=20
comment...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D050450015-19042003><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>HOLD=20
UP! There's NO need for heim joints at all. Our tierods are as rigid =
as they=20
need to be and mounting them from underneath is totally easy and cheap =
to=20
accomplish. Let's nix this part of the thread; it isn't going to take =
us=20
anywhere practical. As for the need to eliminate bump steer, it is =
certainly a=20
noble and fruitful quest to fulfill. It is also simply and cheaply =
rectified=20
via the tie-rod relocation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D050450015-19042003><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D050450015-19042003><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Simply maintaining proper camber while cornering, however, is =
more=20
important than anything else. That's where the spacers between the =
a-arm and=20
spindles work. When the a-arms point upwards, we get nasty changes to =
the=20
camber that reduce cornering grip. One method to deal with this is to =
run=20
negative camber up front. Another is to increase the front roll =
resistance=20
with stiffer springs and/or bigger anti-roll bars. We all know how =
great the=20
improvement that is imparted to our car's handling when we do these=20
mods.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D050450015-19042003><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D050450015-19042003><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial size=3D2>The=20
outside wheel sits more square with the ground which allows the =
contact patch=20
to better do its job. The exact *opposite* occurs with the inside =
wheel,=20
however. It goes into a hyper-extended negative position which levers =
the=20
contact patch off the ground and causes spin. A big front bar makes =
this even=20
worse. (Insert Shine Racing no front bar rhetoric here.) Cars equipped =
with a=20
limited slip differential can get away with this and end up with one =
wheel=20
drive. But if you're running an open diff, then you end up with =
less than=20
that!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D050450015-19042003><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D050450015-19042003><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Anyway, keeping the a-arms parallel to the ground lessens =
this effect=20
drastically. There is no doubt about this fact. It ain't theory. The =
safey=20
aspect has been proven in the design that I'm looking at. So, the big =
question=20
here, really, is whether or not the spacers can be produced for an =
affordable=20
price. Given the benefits that they should provide, I'd consider them =
an=20
absolute bargain at $150 and a decent deal at $200. Beyond that, I'd =
be pissed=20
off. I might pay as much as $250 given the gains in handling =
performance, but=20
I wouldn't be happy about it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>--<BR>Scott F. Williams<BR>NJ Scirocco nut<BR>'99 =
Subaru=20
Impreza 2.5 RS<BR>Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle<BR>Golf GTI =
16v=20
"rollycar"<BR>ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers=20
wanted."</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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