ok, someone give it a shot: connect direct (dont use the master server list): scirocco.dhs.org or 24.88.52.217 should work, but its running in text only mode right now (on my end), so i wont be driving. its running on my box (behind nat, but the port is forwarded), i will move it to the nat box as soon as i figure out why it wont fire up while vnc is running. Al