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- Subject: 2.0 Engine FAQ's
- From: bhonnold@pac-cap.com (Brian Honnold)
- Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:31:55 -0800
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One basic fact holds true here. Any time you try to put the opposite head
on a block you have to change several things.
For the 16v head to 8v block, you change the crank pulley, intermediate
shaft and oil pump. Also plug the distributor hole. Compression is roughly
8:1.
For the 8v head on 16v block. Same changes as above except you ADD the
distributor and the correct distributor gear. You get 13+:1 compression.
For both swaps you have to also consider how to set up the alternator/AC
compressor mounting brackets and pulleys. For ABA based swaps the exhaust
also becomes an issue.
Another swap would be the solid lifter head onto the ABA or 3A block. This
requires a change of the oil pump to the solid lifter unit and clearancing
of the oil pump drive shaft for the 2.0 crank. The Distributor gear also
has to be changed.
As a result of watching many of these swaps being done, my conclusion is;
If you have a 16v already....drop in a 2.0 9A block and be happy. Talk to
Shannon Fenton
If you have an 8V already....upgrade to a high compression 1.8 RD block or
go all out for the Audi 3A or ABA and you only have to change the
Distributor. Talk to Brian MacGarvey
If your insane and have to be different to be cool, build a hybrid. Talk to
Brian Honnold
HTH
Brian "Bench Racer" Honnold
78 shell with way to many parts inside
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Ken Bates
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:21 AM
To: brett cooke; soltwede@privateI.com; tberk@mindspring.com
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: 2.0 Engine FAQ's
I hope this thread isn't quite dead yet. I have been following it and I
didn't see anyone mention the other 2.0 block, the 3A. Maybe because it was
a Audi motor. The volkswagen.org engine swap page has some nice comparisons
between the ABA and the 3A for VW A1 upgrades. I was hoping for a 3-way
comparison.
I am keeping this in the back of my mind for the distant future, probly a
CIS-E 1.8 16v head on just the 2.0 bottom end. It would be nice to pole the
2.0 converters out there for what they used and what they would do
different. Craig, Shannon, come to mind.
Ken
'79 Scirocco 16v project "McFly"
'86 16v (parts car)
VORTEX: "Indiana Red"
----- Original Message -----
From: "brett cooke" <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
To: <soltwede@privateI.com>; <tberk@mindspring.com>
Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: 2.0 Engine FAQ's
> so, in a nut shell, the 9a's an "easy" (if there is such a thing)swap, and
> the aba is smoother and better motor if you put in the work.
> thanks guys, and thank you brian.
> brett
>
>
> >From: Night Shadow <soltwede@privateI.com>
> >To: brett cooke <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> >CC: tberk@mindspring.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >Subject: Re: 2.0 Engine FAQ's
> >Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:36:47 -0700 (MST)
> >
> >
> >
> >No no no
> >
> >9a is a short rod 2.0 liter for a 16v
> >
> >ABA is a long rod 2.0 liter for a 8v
> >
> >To fit a 16v head to a ABA block requires work (Ask Brian Honnold), as a
> >side note, Autotech is now selling a kit for just this application.
> >
> >Now technically, a long rod 16v (IE and ABA block with a 16v head)
> >*should* be a better motor.....in Europe they had such an engine, code
was
> >ABF, again, ask Brian Honnold for info.
> >
> >Eric
> >
> >On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, brett cooke wrote:
> >
> > > alright, this is were i still get confused. which is better, the 9a
> >block or
> > > the aba block? a 2l block is a 2l block correct? the difference is
one's
> >a
> > > 16v and ones an 8v, so if i'm going to use my 1.8l 16v head either
block
> > > will do. or am i still missing something?
> > > hit
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: T Berk <tberk@mindspring.com>
> > > >To: Brian Haygood <scirious@hotmail.com>
> > > >CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > >Subject: Re: 2.0 Engine FAQ's
> > > >Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:51:16 -0800
> > > >
> > > >Brian Haygood wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a page somewhere that will tell all of the differences
> >between
> > > >the
> > > > > various 2.0l 16v's, their advantages, etc. Shine's swap page
> >doesn't
> > > >get
> > > > > this specific. I'm basically wondering which one comes in which
> >cars
> > > >and
> > > > > why you would want one over another.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there isn't a FAQ about this, does anyone want to make one?
> > > > >
> > > > > BH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Jan, the keeper of the flame.
> > > ><http://www.nwlink.com/~vdb/cars.html>
> > > >
> > > >Check engine swaps.
> > > ><http://www.volkswagen.org>
> > > >
> > > >If these aren't enough (when is it EVER enough?) then it would be a
> >good
> > > >idea to have folks add to them.
> > > >
> > > >I have some old Audi 3A bubble block faq remnants I was putting
> >together
> > > >back in the old days but I'd have to root around to find them. As you
> > > >are talking 16v it's not as useful I expect.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >TBerk
> > > >
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> >Eric
> >Northglenn, CO
> >
> >76 Honda CB400F Super Sport
> >80 Scirocco (Parts car again, no more DD duty)
> >81 Scirocco S (2.0 16v swap and complete restoration in progress)
> >81 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel (THE NEW RIDE)
> >91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow 8v swap and mechanical rebuild in progress)
> >00 Golf GL TDI (Katy is driving this for now)
> >
> >"For Aquarians, the physics of loopholes is a perfectly valid science."
> >-Kelli Fox
> >
>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>One basic fact holds true here. Any time you try =
to put the opposite head on a block you have to change several =
things. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For the 16v head to 8v block, you change the crank =
pulley, intermediate shaft and oil pump. Also plug the distributor =
hole. Compression is roughly 8:1.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For the 8v head on 16v block. Same changes as =
above except you ADD the distributor and the correct distributor =
gear. You get 13+:1 compression. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For both swaps you have to also consider how to set up =
the alternator/AC compressor mounting brackets and pulleys. For =
ABA based swaps the exhaust also becomes an issue. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Another swap would be the solid lifter head onto the =
ABA or 3A block. This requires a change of the oil pump to the =
solid lifter unit and clearancing of the oil pump drive shaft for the =
2.0 crank. The Distributor gear also has to be changed.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>As a result of watching many of these swaps being =
done, my conclusion is;</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you have a 16v already....drop in a 2.0 9A block =
and be happy. Talk to Shannon Fenton</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you have an 8V already....upgrade to a high =
compression 1.8 RD block or go all out for the Audi 3A or ABA and you =
only have to change the Distributor. Talk to Brian =
MacGarvey</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If your insane and have to be different to be cool, =
build a hybrid. Talk to Brian Honnold</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>HTH</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Brian "Bench Racer" Honnold</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>78 shell with way to many parts inside</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On Behalf Of Ken Bates</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:21 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: brett cooke; soltwede@privateI.com; =
tberk@mindspring.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: 2.0 Engine FAQ's</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I hope this thread isn't quite dead yet. I have been =
following it and I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>didn't see anyone mention the other 2.0 block, the =
3A. Maybe because it was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>a Audi motor. The volkswagen.org engine swap =
page has some nice comparisons</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>between the ABA and the 3A for VW A1 upgrades. =
I was hoping for a 3-way</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>comparison.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I am keeping this in the back of my mind for the =
distant future, probly a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>CIS-E 1.8 16v head on just the 2.0 bottom end. =
It would be nice to pole the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2.0 converters out there for what they used and what =
they would do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>different. Craig, Shannon, come to mind.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ken</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'79 Scirocco 16v project "McFly"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>'86 16v (parts car)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>VORTEX: "Indiana Red"</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: "brett cooke" =
<vwscir88@hotmail.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: <soltwede@privateI.com>; =
<tberk@mindspring.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 1:01 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: 2.0 Engine FAQ's</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> so, in a nut shell, the 9a's an "easy" =
(if there is such a thing)swap, and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the aba is smoother and better motor if =
you put in the work.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> thanks guys, and thank you brian.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> brett</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >From: Night Shadow =
<soltwede@privateI.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >To: brett cooke =
<vwscir88@hotmail.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >CC: tberk@mindspring.com, =
scirocco-l@scirocco.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >Subject: Re: 2.0 Engine FAQ's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:36:47 -0700 =
(MST)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >No no no</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >9a is a short rod 2.0 liter for a 16v</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >ABA is a long rod 2.0 liter for a 8v</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >To fit a 16v head to a ABA block requires =
work (Ask Brian Honnold), as a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >side note, Autotech is now selling a kit for =
just this application.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >Now technically, a long rod 16v (IE and ABA =
block with a 16v head)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >*should* be a better motor.....in Europe =
they had such an engine, code</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>was</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >ABF, again, ask Brian Honnold for =
info.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >Eric</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, brett cooke =
wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > alright, this is were i still get =
confused. which is better, the 9a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >block or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > the aba block? a 2l block is a 2l =
block correct? the difference is</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>one's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > 16v and ones an 8v, so if i'm going to =
use my 1.8l 16v head either</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>block</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > will do. or am i still missing =
something?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > hit</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >From: T Berk =
<tberk@mindspring.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >To: Brian Haygood =
<scirious@hotmail.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >Subject: Re: 2.0 Engine =
FAQ's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 20:51:16 =
-0800</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >Brian Haygood wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > Is there a page somewhere =
that will tell all of the differences</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >between</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > various 2.0l 16v's, their =
advantages, etc. Shine's swap page</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >doesn't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >get</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > this specific. I'm =
basically wondering which one comes in which</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >cars</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > why you would want one over =
another.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > If there isn't a FAQ about =
this, does anyone want to make one?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > > > BH</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >Jan, the keeper of the =
flame.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ><<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.nwlink.com/~vdb/cars.html";>http://www.nwlink.com/~vdb/=
cars.html</A>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >Check engine swaps.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ><<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.volkswagen.org";>http://www.volkswagen.org</A>></FON=
T>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >If these aren't enough (when is it =
EVER enough?) then it would be a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >good</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >idea to have folks add to =
them.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >I have some old Audi 3A bubble =
block faq remnants I was putting</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >together</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >back in the old days but I'd have =
to root around to find them. As you</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >are talking 16v it's not as useful =
I expect.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > >TBerk</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > ></FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >Northglenn, CO</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >76 Honda CB400F Super Sport</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >80 Scirocco (Parts car again, no more DD =
duty)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >81 Scirocco S (2.0 16v swap and complete =
restoration in progress)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >81 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel (THE NEW =
RIDE)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >91 Cabriolet (2.0 Crossflow 8v swap and =
mechanical rebuild in progress)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >00 Golf GL TDI (Katy is driving this for =
now)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >"For Aquarians, the physics of =
loopholes is a perfectly valid science."</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >-Kelli Fox</FONT>
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