6spd tranny?

[abatzis2@hotmail.com (Michael Abatzis)]

i'm going with marc on this one. 16v makes more torque at all rpms, but the 
torque curve is peaky, from 4k-6.5k.  8v makes less torque, but it's more 
evenly spread out. don't worry scott, your car is still faster ;)
-michael
92 vr6 gti-gobs of torque everywhere


>From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@comcast.net>

>No, you're missing my point entirely. The 16v makes more torque at *all* 
>rpm
>points. The rush of hp at the top simply makes the bottom feel softer than
>the 8v. Additionally, the difference in vehicle weight and often times
>gearing affects the way the 8v and 16v cars behave.
>
>Check the dyno sheets for stock motors (a fair means of comparison) and
>you'll see what I'm saying.
>--
>Scott F. Williams
>NJ Scirocco nut
>'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
>Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
>Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
>ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
>
>Check out our rally team's website!
>http://www.usrallyteam.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Marc Peterson
> > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:41 AM
> > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: 6spd tranny?
> >
> >
> > Yeah, the overall levels are higher, but the 8v's seem to be in
> > their torque
> > band for 3500 rpm, were as the 16's seem to be in their torque
> > band for only
> > 2500 rpm.  The locations of the torque bands are different, and the 
>values
> > are different, but the width of the band is larger for the 8V's,
> > that's all
> > I'm saying.  Which means that the 6sp might be more suited for
> > the 16v's by
> > being able to keep the rpms in that band due to the extra intermediate
> > ratio.
> >
> > Marc
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@comcast.net>
> > To: "Marc Peterson" <mpeters6@rochester.rr.com>; 
><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 10:06 AM
> > Subject: RE: 6spd tranny?
> >
> >
> > > Marc, check those dyno reports and you'll see what is often
> > verified. That
> > > is, the fact that the 16v motors make more torque *and* horsepower all
> > > across the rpm band. The 8v motors seem torquier for the following
> > reasons:
> > >
> > > a) the gear ratios are often shorter(3.94 versus 3.67)
> > > b) vehicle weights are lower
> > > c) 16v has a mad rush of *extra* power up top which makes it feel
> > relatively
> > > soft on the bottom
> > > --
> > > Scott F. Williams
> > > NJ Scirocco nut
> > > '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> > > Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> > > Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> > > ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
> > >
> > > Check out our rally team's website!
> > > http://www.usrallyteam.com
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Marc Peterson
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:57 AM
> > > > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > Subject: Re: 6spd tranny?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, I thought that the 8v power band was acutally *wider* than
> > > > the 16v, it
> > > > just starts and ends lower in the rpm range?
> > > >
> > > > I know that Jason's 1.8 RD is on it torque band from about 2K all 
>the
> > way
> > > > through 5.5K, where as Bretts monster was hits its torque band
> > > > around 4K and
> > > > is done by 6.5K
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@comcast.net>
> > > > To: <jason_f_snow@nac.net>; "'Larry'" <rocco16v@netzero.com>; 
>"'brett
> > > > cooke'" <vwscir88@hotmail.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 8:49 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: 6spd tranny?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Jason Snow asked:
> > > > > > What good would a 6spd tranny do for an 8v engine?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason, a 6-speed tranny offers more gears with which one
> > can match the
> > > > > ratios to the rev band of the motor. Considering that the 8v's
> > powerband
> > > > is
> > > > > more narrow than the 16v's, the extra ratios can make it easier to
> > keep
> > > > the
> > > > > motor where it is happiest. In my case, I chose a 4.25 ring
> > & pinion,
> > > > stock
> > > > > 4k gears 1,3,4, & 5 (2nd is tall ratio), and a .75 6th gear.
> > > > This puts me
> > > > at
> > > > > about the same revs in 6th as a Scirocco 16v in 5th. But, the
> > > > car screams
> > > > > through the gears as it accelerates. It is a heavy compromise for
> > twisty
> > > > > backroad driving but with fair highway manners.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then, there is the other choice of maintaining the stock ratios
> > > > (1-5) and
> > > > > just tacking an overdrive on the top.
> > > > >
> > > > > YMMV...
> > > > > --
> > > > > Scott F. Williams
> > > > > NJ Scirocco nut
> > > > > '99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
> > > > > Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
> > > > > Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
> > > > > ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out our rally team's website!
> > > > > http://www.usrallyteam.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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