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- Subject: FW: 87 16v fuel pump?
- From: averyaccess@earthlink.net (Blaine/laura Avery)
- Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:39:09 -0500
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I just thought y'all would want to know that Brian was right on when it
came to diagnosing the problem!!!
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From: Blaine/laura Avery <averyaccess@earthlink.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:31:51 -0500
To: Brian Wagner <scirocco_88_16v@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 87 16v fuel pump?att:brian
Brian,
Thanks so much I was outside working on the car when you emailed me back.
After doing some on line research on relays I had figured out what to do(its
not that I cant understand electrical wiring it just haven't done it much)
Just got back in and checked the email nice to know that I did the rite
thing . Anyway it worked like A charm the relay hit and the pumps turned
on!!!! I called the junk yesterday and they quoted me a price of $50 for
the knock box.
This all happened because of mistakes printed it the Haynes manual I'm
putting that rag in the trash!!!! The Bentley is the only manual I am using
now.
thanks again!!!!!
Blaine
N.C. 16v up and running soon
From: "Brian Wagner" <scirocco_88_16v@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:36:43 -0600
To: "Blaine/laura Avery" <averyaccess@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 87 16v fuel pump?att:brian
Ok simple enough, turn the ignition to the run position (light on the dash
will come on. then take a length of wire and insert it in the 10 position of
the connector, then take the wire and ground it to the negative side of the
battery. If the fuel pump relay haits then the knock box is the problem.
HTH
lmk if there is anything else I can help you with, also where are you
located if close enough and you need some help I can take a cruise and help
you out.
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: Blaine/laura Avery <mailto:averyaccess@earthlink.net>
To: Brian Wagner <mailto:scirocco_88_16v@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: 87 16v fuel pump?att:brian
Brian,
I just got my Bentley manual in the mail to day my car has been sitting
since last Saturday while waiting for the manual. I was looking over the
wiring, it looks like you are right #10 from the knock box connector goes to
the relay. I've got A question for you, this may sound dumb but I'm not
great with wiring. when you say with the key on ground position ten should
I be be grounding #10 or bridging it to another terminal? The Bentley shows
in great detail how to do tests for the CSI-E oxygen sensor and ICU buy
bridging the connector terminals but not the knock box. I'm not sure what I
should be connecting #10 to? Can you help?
thanks,
Blaine 16v scirocco
Blaine Avery <averyaccess@earthlink.net>
From: "Brian Wagner" <scirocco_88_16v@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:21:02 -0600
To: "Blaine/laura Avery" <averyaccess@earthlink.net>,
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Subject: Re: 87 16v fuel pump?
sounds like the knock box maybe the culprit, this is the unit with the
vacuum hose going to it in the rain tray behind the Jentronic box.
Simple test pull the connector and with the key on ground position ten in
the connector (verify the position in the Bentley) if the fuel pump relay
hits then replace the knock box.
HTH
Brian
----- Original Message -----
From: Blaine/laura Avery <mailto:averyaccess@earthlink.net>
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:37 PM
Subject: 87 16v fuel pump?
thanks all for all the advice,
Any one know what it means if you can get power from the fuel pump relay but
not the fuse I have tried jumping the relay but I get nothing. The transfer
pump will run when it is connected to outside power so I know it can
work. I am thinking that it must be between the relay and the fuse? anny
Ideas?
It would help if I had a better manual I got one on the way but would like
to get this car running asap, all I got for the meantime it this awful
haynes manual.
Blaine Avery <averyaccess@earthlink.net>
North Carolina
87 Scirocco 16v
sounds like the wiring to the main fuel pump(the one outside the tank) is
the culprit here. There is a transfer pump inside the tank and you should
test that to make sure it is transfering enough fuel to the main pump. you
test the transfer pump by removing back seat and then the little black
cover. Remove the rubber fuel lines, one is a return line and one pumps
fuel to the main pump, plug the return line and put the line that send fuel
to the main pump in a glass jar or something, if you are facing the rear of
the car the line on the right side is the ouput hose. then when you jumper
the relay the transfer pump will start pumping and it should pump at least
10oz of fuel for 10 seconds of operation. also the tank should be less than
3/4 when you do this. This is per the Bentley manual and if you don't have
one you should get one, in most cases it is much better than the Haneys(sp)
manual.
Robert Piwonka
86 16V
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of UrGTI@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 2:14 PM
To: averyaccess@earthlink.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: 87 16v fuel pump?
there is a lift pump in the tank on a 16v contrary to what your manual says.
Lift up your back seat and you will see a black access panel. Continue your
electrical tests on that pump.
Jasin
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I just thought y'all would want to know that Brian was right on when =
it came to diagnosing the problem!!!<BR>
<BR>
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<B>From: </B>Blaine/laura Avery <averyaccess@earthlink.net><BR>
<B>Date: </B>Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:31:51 -0500<BR>
<B>To: </B>Brian Wagner <scirocco_88_16v@hotmail.com><BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: 87 16v fuel pump?att:brian<BR>
<BR>
Brian, <BR>
Thanks so much I was outside working on the car when you emailed me back. =
After doing some on line research on relays I had figured out what to do(its=
not that I cant understand electrical wiring it just haven't done it =
much) Just got back in and checked the email nice to know that I did the rit=
e thing . Anyway it worked like A charm the relay hit and the pumps turned o=
n!!!! I called the junk yesterday and they quoted me a pri=
ce of $50 for the knock box.<BR>
This all happened because of mistakes printed it the Haynes manual I'm putt=
ing that rag in the trash!!!! The Bentley is the only manual I am using now.=
<BR>
<BR>
thanks again!!!!! <BR>
Blaine <BR>
N.C. 16v up and running soon <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<B>From: </B>"Brian Wagner" <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>scirocco=
_88_16v@hotmail.com</U></FONT>><BR>
<B>Date: </B>Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:36:43 -0600<BR>
<B>To: </B>"Blaine/laura Avery" <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>aver=
yaccess@earthlink.net</U></FONT>><BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: 87 16v fuel pump?att:brian<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Ok simple enough, turn the ig=
nition to the run position (light on the dash will come on. then take a leng=
th of wire and insert it in the 10 position of the connector, then take the =
wire and ground it to the negative side of the battery. If the fuel pump rel=
ay haits then the knock box is the problem. <BR>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">HTH<BR>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">lmk if there is anything else I can help =
you with, also where are you located if close enough and you need some help =
I can take a cruise and help you out.<BR>
</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Brian</FONT></FONT> <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<B>From:</B> Blaine/laura Avery <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:averyac=
cess@earthlink.net</U></FONT>> <BR>
<B>To:</B> Brian Wagner <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:scirocco_88_16v=
@hotmail.com</U></FONT>> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 06, 2002 6:24 PM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: 87 16v fuel pump?att:brian<BR>
<BR>
Brian, <BR>
I just got my Bentley manual in the mail to day my car has been sitting si=
nce last Saturday while waiting for the manual. I was looking ov=
er the wiring, it looks like you are right #10 from the knock box conn=
ector goes to the relay. I've got A question for you, this may sound d=
umb but I'm not great with wiring. when you say with the key on ground=
position ten should I be be grounding #10 or bridging it to another t=
erminal? The Bentley shows in great detail how to do tests for the CSI-E oxy=
gen sensor and ICU buy bridging the connector terminals but not the kn=
ock box. I'm not sure what I should be connecting #10 to? Can you help?<BR>
<BR>
thanks,<BR>
Blaine 16v scirocco<BR>
Blaine Avery <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>averyaccess@earthlink.net</U></FO=
NT>><BR>
<BR>
<B>From: </B>"Brian Wagner" <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>scirocco=
_88_16v@hotmail.com</U></FONT>><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B>Date: </B>Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:21:02 -0600<BR>
<B>To: </B>"Blaine/laura Avery" <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>aver=
yaccess@earthlink.net</U></FONT>>, <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>scirocco-=
l@scirocco.org</U></FONT>><BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: 87 16v fuel pump?<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">sounds like the knock box may=
be the culprit, this is the unit with the vacuum hose going to it in the rai=
n tray behind the Jentronic box.<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Simple test pull the connector and with t=
he key on ground position ten in the connector (verify the position in the B=
entley) if the fuel pump relay hits then replace the knock box.<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">HTH<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BR>
<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">Brian<BR>
</FONT></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message ----- <BR>
<B>From:</B> Blaine/laura Avery <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:averyac=
cess@earthlink.net</U></FONT>> <BR>
<B>To:</B> <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</U></FONT> <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:37 PM<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> 87 16v fuel pump?<BR>
<BR>
<TT>thanks all for all the advice,<BR>
<BR>
Any one know what it means if you can get power from the fuel pump relay bu=
t not the fuse I have tried jumping the relay but I get nothing. The transfe=
r pump will run when it is connected to outside power so I=
know it can work. I am thinking that it must be between the relay and the f=
use? anny Ideas? <BR>
It would help if I had a better manual I got one on the way but would like =
to get this car running asap, all I got for the meantime it this awful hayne=
s manual.<BR>
<BR>
</TT><FONT SIZE=3D"1"><BR>
Blaine Avery <<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>averyaccess@earthlink.net</U></FO=
NT>><BR>
North Carolina<BR>
87 Scirocco 16v<BR>
</FONT><TT><BR>
<BR>
sounds like the wiring to the main fuel pump(the one outside the tank) is<B=
R>
the culprit here. There is a transfer pump inside the tank and you sh=
ould<BR>
test that to make sure it is transfering enough fuel to the main pump. you<=
BR>
test the transfer pump by removing back seat and then the little black<BR>
cover. Remove the rubber fuel lines, one is a return line and one pum=
ps<BR>
fuel to the main pump, plug the return line and put the line that send fuel=
<BR>
to the main pump in a glass jar or something, if you are facing the rear of=
<BR>
the car the line on the right side is the ouput hose. then when you j=
umper<BR>
the relay the transfer pump will start pumping and it should pump at least<=
BR>
10oz of fuel for 10 seconds of operation. also the tank should be less than=
<BR>
3/4 when you do this. This is per the Bentley manual and if you don't have<=
BR>
one you should get one, in most cases it is much better than the Haneys(sp)=
<BR>
manual.<BR>
<BR>
Robert Piwonka<BR>
86 16V<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org<BR>
</U></FONT>[<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org</=
U></FONT>]On Behalf Of <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>UrGTI@aol.com<BR>
</U></FONT>Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 2:14 PM<BR>
To: <FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>averyaccess@earthlink.net</U></FONT>; <FONT CO=
LOR=3D"#0000FF"><U>scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR>
</U></FONT>Subject: Re: 87 16v fuel pump?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
there is a lift pump in the tank on a 16v contrary to what your manual says=
.<BR>
<BR>
Lift up your back seat and you will see a black access panel. Continue your=
<BR>
electrical tests on that pump.<BR>
<BR>
Jasin<BR>
<BR>
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