wider is better (+weird rieger handling notes)

[amalventano1@home.com (Allyn)]

    Good point neal. Even though there is mad rubber in back on the rieger, i can still get into 4
wheel drifts coming into hard corners. That is with TWICE the rubber back there. As you add width,
you subtract from the weight/square inch of contact surface. Honestly, it all balances out to a
degree.
    As a counter point for small width vs. large width take this as a note:
Flat tarmac: rieger understeers (less contact patch up front vs. rear)
Rough pavement: rieger is neutral/oversteers (more weight/square inch up front, tread blocks dig in
more)
    This is so noticable that if i'm in steady hard cornering and go from tarmac to asphalt the
rieger will try to spin out unless i correct for it.
    Of course this is something you would only notice on a car like the rieger, with its crazy
difference in width.
Al

Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX (shell donor ready to rock, still planning, rocco #7)
87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch, driveshafts, wheels :)


----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Tovsen" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
To: "'Randy B'" <sirocco@telocity.com>; "'Larry'" <rocco16v@netzero.com>; "'Shawn C Meze'"
<skerocdriver@juno.com>
Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: wider is better


> With sticky tires, friction from the road surface is also very high. I don't
> know whether it would be more than aero friction, but it would be
> significant.
>
> Also see my other post about wider tires and operating temperatures...wider
> is not necessarily better.
>
> Neal
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Randy B
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:53 AM
> > To: Larry; Shawn C Meze
> > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: wider is better
> >
> >
> > Larry,
> > Friction in corners is good to a point (how much is too
> > much?), friction
> > going straight will slow you down.....no?
> > Unless you have a full front spoiler (preventing air from
> > hitting the front
> > tires) you will have aerodynamic drag right?
> > Oh, wait....I think I answered my own question....with a
> > front spoiler you
> > are simply transfering the aerodynamic drag from the tires to the
> > spoiler....hmmm.....
> > If all this is so negligible that it is not worth fretting
> > over I would be
> > happy to go wider :)
> >
> > "Put any tire you want on it and DRIVE the thing!  :)"
> >
> > Very good advice!! :^D
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 05:48 PM 02/03/2002 -0800, Larry wrote:
> > >Randy-
> > >   As Shawn said, wider is better.   A wider tire will not
> > cost you time
> > >because of higher weight, drag (certainly not aerodynamic drag), or
> > >"friction" (hell, you WANT friction!!!!!!!!) at least not
> > that you can
> > >quantify.  Put any tire you want on it and DRIVE the thing!  :)
> > >
> > >Larry  sandiego16V
> > >Wider is better if you have the HP to overcome the added
> > weight/aerodynamic
> > >drag/frictional drag...Mkay?
> > >My question was whether or not I would "lose"
> > performance/speed/cornering
> > >due to the above factors with my relatively "low" HP car.
> > >
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