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Using A2 rear Disks upside down on A1 Drum upgrade.

Subject: Using A2 rear Disks upside down on A1 Drum upgrade.
From: flaatr@yahoo.com (Euroroc II)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:55:58 -0700
In-reply-to: <5.1.0.14.2.20020810143532.00b8f358@pop.charter.net>
References: <F201KGTkp5XFTbkdnYH0000328d@hotmail.com>

I don't know if I missed the examination but could some one tell me more 
about this rear caliper problem? I'm not the nicest guy on bakes and I 
haven't seen a problem with mine, but I do see the advantage to A3 brakes 
since the adjustment procedure on A1's suck.

-Raffi



At 02:37 PM 8/10/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Come on, guys, read the other posts.  Potter has new A3 Driver's Edition 
>(red) rear calipers with carriers and pads in his blowout section for $85.
>
>John.
>Long Beach.
>
>
>At 04:57 PM 8/10/2002 -0400, Brad Sayer wrote:
>>I would if I could remember!  Its some obscure website.  Soemone else on 
>>this list a while ago provided the link.  Don't remember who that was.
>>Anyone?   We both bought from this place.  I will see what I can dig up, 
>>and I will let the list know...
>>
>>Brad
>>
>>87 16V
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Walter D. Leonard III" <wleonard1@carolina.rr.com>
>>>To: "Brad Sayer" <volksrocco@hotmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: Using A2 rear Disks upside down on A1 Drum upgrade.
>>>Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:00:54 -0400
>>>
>>>Well tell us where you bought them, don't be shy!!!
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Brad Sayer" <volksrocco@hotmail.com>
>>>To: <ranahan@charter.net>; <ralexander03@snet.net>;
>>><amalventano1@comcast.net>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:41 AM
>>>Subject: Re: Using A2 rear Disks upside down on A1 Drum upgrade.
>>>
>>>
>>> > If you search around enough, you can find brand new A3 calipers for more
>>> > like 70-80.  I paid about 70 each for mine.
>>> >
>>> > Brad
>>> >
>>> > 87 16V
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >From: "John Erickson" <ranahan@charter.net>
>>> > >To: "Rick Alexander" <ralexander03@snet.net>,"Allyn"
>>> > ><amalventano1@comcast.net>, "John Erickson" <ranahan@charter.net>,
>>> > >"Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>>> > >Subject: Re: Using A2 rear Disks upside down on A1 Drum upgrade.
>>> > >Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 18:01:05 -0400
>>> > >
>>> > >New A1 rear calipers are $150.  Rebuilt ones usually don't have
>>>functioning
>>> > >e-brake mechanisms.  If you replace the pads on an A1 caliper, be
>>>prepared
>>> > >to pump the brake pedal at least 40 times (per the Bentley) and have to
>>> > >drive at least a week to get the self-adjusting mechanism to "settle 
>>> in."
>>> > >
>>> > >New A3 calipers are $110.  Rebuilt units are fully functional.  The
>>> > >self-adjusting mechanism has the pads against the rotors in 10-20 pumps
>>>of
>>> > >the pedal and they are set.
>>> > >
>>> > >I think my car stops better with the A3 rear caliper.  The main reason I
>>> > >made the switch was money, though.  My old ones were shot.
>>> > >
>>> > >John
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:37:40 -0400
>>> > >  "Rick Alexander" <ralexander03@snet.net> wrote:
>>> > >>I too have the original calipers on Rolling Roc (1/4 million miles
>>>plus).
>>> > >>Some of the A1 calipers have trouble with the E-brake seizing up
>>>(usually
>>> > >>in
>>> > >>the stop mode).
>>> > >>
>>> > >>Rick Alexander
>>> > >>http://www.brubakerbox.com
>>> > >>http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
>>> > >>http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
>>> > >>
>>> > >>----- Original Message -----
>>> > >>From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@comcast.net>
>>> > >>To: "John Erickson" <ranahan@charter.net>; "Rick Alexander"
>>> > >><ralexander03@snet.net>; "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>>> > >>Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:41 PM
>>> > >>Subject: Re: Using A2 rear Disks upside down on A1 Drum upgrade.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>>wait a sec, whats all this rear caliper rambling. i've had 8 
>>> sciroccos,
>>> > >>half of which had rear
>>> > >>>discs, and i changed pads at least once on all 4 of the disc-equipped
>>> > >>cars. i never had any trouble
>>> > >>>at all. what did i miss?
>>> > >>>Al
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
>>> > >>>87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 180k, rocco #6)
>>> > >>>86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
>>> > >>>86.5 Occo 16v Trailer (dotting 'i's across the country, rocco #8)
>>> > >>>87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original
>>> > >>>clutch,
>>> > >>driveshafts, wheels :)
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>----- Original Message -----
>>> > >>>From: "John Erickson" <ranahan@charter.net>
>>> > >>>To: "Rick Alexander" <ralexander03@snet.net>; "Scirocco List"
>>> > >><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>>> > >>>Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 5:28 PM
>>> > >>>Subject: Re: Using A2 rear Disks upside down on A1 Drum upgrade.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > ANYTHING is better than the A1 caliper.  The Scirocco 16v
>>> > >>> > rear caliper was the first rear caliper on any VW.
>>> > >>> >  Apparently VW learned a lot in ten years.  I'm sure happy
>>> > >>> > with my A3s.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > John
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> > On Fri, 9 Aug 2002 17:06:38 -0400
>>> > >>> >   "Rick Alexander" <ralexander03@snet.net> wrote:
>>> > >>> > >My understanding is that the A2 and A3 mount the same way
>>> > >>> > >but that the
>>> > >>> > >problems were not solved until the A3 which is why they
>>> > >>> > >are the desirable
>>> > >>> > >units to get for an upgrade. But then again... you have
>>> > >>> > >the A2's
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > >Rick Alexander
>>> > >>> > >http://www.brubakerbox.com
>>> > >>> > >http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
>>> > >>> > >http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > >----- Original Message -----
>>> > >>> > >From: "T Berk" <tberk@mindspring.com>
>>> > >>> > >To: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>>> > >>> > >Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:28 PM
>>> > >>> > >Subject: Using A2 rear Disks upside down on A1 Drum
>>> > >>> > >upgrade.
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > >
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> I understand you can use A3 rear disk calipers on A1
>>> > >>> > >>chassis cars (I
>>> > >>> > >> have an 81 Scirocco) as I know a guy who did it.
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> My question is whether the A2 & A3 calipers are close
>>> > >>> > >>enough to
>>> > >>> > >> interchange, in terms of mounting points, etc.?
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> I also understand the A3 units have corrected allot of
>>> > >>> > >>the problems with
>>> > >>> > >> parking brake binding that have plagued A1 rear disks in
>>> > >>> > >>the past (16v).
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> It would be better to buy new but I have an 86 GTI
>>> > >>> > >>awaiting de-parting
>>> > >>> > >> in the backyard already.
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> Lastly, for those who don't know- the idea is the later
>>> > >>> > >>calipers bolt
>>> > >>> > >> up, but you need to swap the left and right sides and in
>>> > >>> > >>doing so flip
>>> > >>> > >> the caliper around so that the bleeding screw is now
>>> > >>> > >>positioned upside
>>> > >>> > >> down. Of course this would seem to be counterproductive
>>> > >>> > >>but once bled
>>> > >>> > >> (lines connected but caliper unbolted from axle) they
>>> > >>> > >>don't need anymore
>>> > >>> > >> use of the bleeder until it's major work time again
>>> > >>> > >>anyway.
>>> > >>> > >>
>>> > >>> > >> tia,
>>> > >>> > >> TBerk
>>> > >>> > >>
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References:
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- Using A2 rear Disks upside down on A1 Drum upgrade.
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