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Sincerely, thanks for putting it into perspective, Rick.
Sorry for the harsh words Dan. I truly hope you'll continue to try to keep us on the true path...
Jeff Toomasson
Rick Alexander <rick@brubakerbox.com> wrote: Boys, Boys... I don't enter into these things EVER but I'll make an
exception to my personal rules which I'll no doubt regret.
You are both right, and you are wrong. Not about the transmission and clutch
but about the way the list works. There will always be mis-information on a
list like this, it's human nature. Hopefully there will be a few answers so
that the erroneous one can be picked out. Hopefully there will be sensible
people who will point out errors in an effort to educate the individual and
the group. Hopefully the lister asking the question will understand that he
may get incorrect information and decide to take the best and leave the
rest. If any one of these scenarios happens then the list works. What will
kill things is a flame war. It will discourage listers from engaging in
conversation. There is no list with only lurkers.
So please take this elsewhere.
Rick Alexander
http://www.brubakerbox.com
http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/
http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Toomasson"
To:
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: New Clutch and Flywheel questions
> Look, man - believe me, I'm not saying don't offer your knowledge. You
> obviously know a lot more than mmost of us. And I'm not saying sincerity
> makes up for bad information either.
>
> I'm just saying you don't have to be such a jerk about it. Get over
> yourself.
>
> Do you really laugh your ass off when someone on this list screws up? Too
> bad.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Bubb"
> To: "Jeff Toomasson"
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:44 PM
> Subject: Re: New Clutch and Flywheel questions
>
>
> > Well, of course, you are correct.
> > I really think that as long as you are sincere while you're spewing out
> > gross misinformation that'll stop somebody dead in their tracks in the
> > middle of a project that that will be quite alright.
> > But, just to bow to your superior sensibilities, I won't bother to
> > correct any more. I'll just sit back and laugh my ass off and wonder how
> > it is possible for some people to be so wrong and think they are
> > "supporting" the group.
> > Have a nice day yourself!
> > Which, of course, we all know in these modern days means "Fuck you very
> > much!"
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff Toomasson wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, there - Turbo. Didn't mean to chafe ya that badly.
> > >
> > > I guess I might have been confused on a couple of things. It turns out
I
> > > wasn't clear about the use of a 210mm disc in an early 020 and the
> mention
> > > of the driveshafts were only if he had a 16v tranny that he was
swapping
> in.
> > > I realize he didn't say that and, in general, I apologize for sending
> out
> > > bad info. However, in my defense, I did ask for more details...
> > >
> > > But one thing I am not confused about, O Grand Wizard of Volkswagen
> > > engineering, is that your attitude F*CKING SUCKS!
> > >
> > > "Some of the misinformation on this list is really starting to bother
> me!"
> > >
> > > Well - maybe some of us are tired of the way you shit on anyone who
> offers
> > > something incorrect. At least they are being helpful enough to try to
> offer
> > > their perspective, correct or not.
> > >
> > > We all want correct information and while stressing the validity of
that
> > > information is tantamount to what this list is about, you might want
to
> take
> > > step back and picture how you're portraying yourself with your
> Venus-Flytrap
> > > temper. If you don't care about that - then, fine. I feel sorry for
you.
> > > Have a nice day.
> > >
> > > My irritated $0.02, JT
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dan Bubb"
> > > To: "Jeff Toomasson"
> > > Cc: ;
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: New Clutch and Flywheel questions
> > >
> > > > NO! NO! NO!
> > > > There is no difference in the bell housing between a 4K and 9A
> > > > tranmission!
> > > > A 4K will work fine with the 3A and the 210mm clutch as will the
90mm
> > > > axles.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the misinformation on this list is really starting to bother
> me!
> > > > Let's all work on accurate and knowledgable information.
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Toomasson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I hope you already have the 16v transmission with
> appropriately-sized
> > > > > driveshaft flanges....The 210mm clutch setup won't fit into the 4k
> bell
> > > > > housing (I assuming that's what you have b/c that's what came
stock
> in
> > > the
> > > > > 84 GTi). And the stock driveshafts are 90mm versus the 100mm for
the
> 16v
> > > > > trannys...
> > > > >
> > > > > Provide more details about what you currently have and I'm sure we
> all
> > > can
> > > > > give you an accurate assessment...
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From:
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Cc:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:32 AM
> > > > > Subject: New Clutch and Flywheel questions
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am going to be installing (finally) my audi 3a in my 84 gti. I
> am
> > > gonna
> > > > > put
> > > > > > a new clutch in (16v PP) and a lightened flywheel at the same
> time.
> > > > > question:
> > > > > > do I need to do anything to the motor/trans to prepare them for
> the
> > > 210mm
> > > > > > swap, or is it a direct replacement? thanks
> > > > > >
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<P> Sincerely, thanks for putting it into perspective, Rick.
<P>Sorry for the harsh words Dan. I truly hope you'll continue to try to keep us on the true path...
<P>Jeff Toomasson
<P> <B><I>Rick Alexander <rick@brubakerbox.com></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Boys, Boys... I don't enter into these things EVER but I'll make an<BR>exception to my personal rules which I'll no doubt regret.<BR><BR>You are both right, and you are wrong. Not about the transmission and clutch<BR>but about the way the list works. There will always be mis-information on a<BR>list like this, it's human nature. Hopefully there will be a few answers so<BR>that the erroneous one can be picked out. Hopefully there will be sensible<BR>people who will point out errors in an effort to educate the individual and<BR>the group. Hopefully the lister asking the question will understand that he<BR>may get incorrect information and decide to take the best and leave the<BR>rest. If any one of these scenarios happens then the list works. What will<BR>kill things is a flame war. It will discourage listers from engaging in<BR>conversation. There is no list with only lurkers.<BR><BR>So please take this elsewhere.<BR><BR>Rick Alexander<BR>http://www.brubakerbox.com<BR>http://clubs.hemmings.com/hams/<BR>http://clubs.hemmings.com/vwsrus/<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Jeff Toomasson" <JTOOMASSON@YAHOO.COM><BR>To: <JDBUBB@IX.NETCOM.COM><BR>Cc: <SCIROCCO-L@SCIROCCO.ORG><BR>Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:45 PM<BR>Subject: Re: New Clutch and Flywheel questions<BR><BR><BR>> Look, man - believe me, I'm not saying don't offer your knowledge. You<BR>> obviously know a lot more than mmost of us. And I'm not saying sincerity<BR>> makes up for bad information either.<BR>><BR>> I'm just saying you don't have to be such a jerk about it. Get over<BR>> yourself.<BR>><BR>> Do you really laugh your ass off when someone on this list screws up? Too<BR>> bad.<BR>> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> From: "Dan Bubb" <JDBUBB@IX.NETCOM.COM><BR>> To: "Jeff Toomasson" <JTOOMASSON@YAHOO.COM><BR>> Cc: <SCIROCCO-L@SCIROCCO.ORG><BR>> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 12:44 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: New Clutch and Flywheel questions<BR>><BR>><BR>> > Well, of course, you are correct.<BR>> > I really think that as long as you are sincere while you're spewing out<BR>> > gross misinformation that'll stop somebody dead in their tracks in the<BR>> > middle of a project that that will be quite alright.<BR>> > But, just to bow to your superior sensibilities, I won't bother to<BR>> > correct any more. I'll just sit back and laugh my ass off and wonder how<BR>> > it is possible for some people to be so wrong and think they are<BR>> > "supporting" the group.<BR>> > Have a nice day yourself!<BR>> > Which, of course, we all know in these modern days means "Fuck you very<BR>> > much!"<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > Jeff Toomasson wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Sorry, there - Turbo. Didn't mean to chafe ya that badly.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > I guess I might have been confused on a couple of things. It turns out<BR>I<BR>> > > wasn't clear about the use of a 210mm disc in an early 020 and the<BR>> mention<BR>> > > of the driveshafts were only if he had a 16v tranny that he was<BR>swapping<BR>> in.<BR>> > > I realize he didn't say that and, in general, I apologize for sending<BR>> out<BR>> > > bad info. However, in my defense, I did ask for more details...<BR>> > ><BR>> > > But one thing I am not confused about, O Grand Wizard of Volkswagen<BR>> > > engineering, is that your attitude F*CKING SUCKS!<BR>> > ><BR>> > > "Some of the misinformation on this list is really starting to bother<BR>> me!"<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Well - maybe some of us are tired of the way you shit on anyone who<BR>> offers<BR>> > > something incorrect. At least they are being helpful enough to try to<BR>> offer<BR>> > > their perspective, correct or not.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > We all want correct information and while stressing the validity of<BR>that<BR>> > > information is tantamount to what this list is about, you might want<BR>to<BR>> take<BR>> > > step back and picture how you're portraying yourself with your<BR>> Venus-Flytrap<BR>> > > temper. If you don't care about that - then, fine. I feel sorry for<BR>you.<BR>> > > Have a nice day.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > My irritated $0.02, JT<BR>> > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > > From: "Dan Bubb" <JDBUBB@IX.NETCOM.COM><BR>> > > To: "Jeff Toomasson" <JTOOMASSON@YAHOO.COM><BR>> > > Cc: <WASPHWY@AOL.COM>; <SCIROCCO-L@SCIROCCO.ORG><BR>> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:41 AM<BR>> > > Subject: Re: New Clutch and Flywheel questions<BR>> > ><BR>> > > > NO! NO! NO!<BR>> > > > There is no difference in the bell housing between a 4K and 9A<BR>> > > > tranmission!<BR>> > > > A 4K will work fine with the 3A and the 210mm clutch as will the<BR>90mm<BR>> > > > axles.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Some of the misinformation on this list is really starting to bother<BR>> me!<BR>> > > > Let's all work on accurate and knowledgable information.<BR>> > > > Dan<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Jeff Toomasson wrote:<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > I hope you already have the 16v transmission with<BR>> appropriately-sized<BR>> > > > > driveshaft flanges....The 210mm clutch setup won't fit into the 4k<BR>> bell<BR>> > > > > housing (I assuming that's what you have b/c that's what came<BR>stock<BR>> in<BR>> > > the<BR>> > > > > 84 GTi). And the stock driveshafts are 90mm versus the 100mm for<BR>the<BR>> 16v<BR>> > > > > trannys...<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Provide more details about what you currently have and I'm sure we<BR>> all<BR>> > > can<BR>> > > > > give you an accurate assessment...<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > Jeff<BR>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > > > > From: <WASPHWY@AOL.COM><BR>> > > > > To: <SCIROCCO-L@SCIROCCO.ORG><BR>> > > > > Cc: <MK1GTI@EGROUPS.COM><BR>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:32 AM<BR>> > > > > Subject: New Clutch and Flywheel questions<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > > I am going to be installing (finally) my audi 3a in my 84 gti. I<BR>> am<BR>> > > gonna<BR>> > > > > put<BR>> > > > > > a new clutch in (16v PP) and a lightened flywheel at the same<BR>> time.<BR>> > > > > question:<BR>> > > > > > do I need to do anything to the motor/trans to prepare them for<BR>> the<BR>> > > 210mm<BR>> > > > > > swap, or is it a direct replacement? thanks<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> > > > > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > > > > Scirocco-l mailing list<BR>> > > > > > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR>> > > > > > http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > _________________________________________________________<BR>> > > > > Do You Yahoo!?<BR>> > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > _______________________________________________<BR>> > > > > Scirocco-l mailing list<BR>> > > > > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR>> > > > > http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l<BR>> > ><BR>> > > _________________________________________________________<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Do You Yahoo!?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com<BR>><BR>><BR>> _________________________________________________________<BR>> Do You Yahoo!?<BR>> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com<BR>><BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> Scirocco-l mailing list<BR>> Scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR>> http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l<BR>><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Scirocco-l mailing list<BR>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR>http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
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