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Re: [Re: Differences between 8v and 16v] [Intake on the wrong side]
OK so lemme get this straight. If I were to build a KR engine out of a PL I
would need the follwing stuff: intake cam, mechanical CIS, 50mm intake, and
no cat? Is the exhaust cam any different? IS the actual head any different?
TIA
Looking for a 50mm intake....
Chris DeLong
ICQ#45030867
Seattle, WA USA
'80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
'91 GLi 2.0 16V
'77 Rabbit 16V
'80 'Vert (parting out!)
'61 17 Window type II
'91 Vanagon
'78 Rabbit
'78 Rabbit (for sale)
'87 GTi 16V
>From: SCIROCCO2@t-online.de (Dirk Schneider)
>Reply-To: "Dirk Schneider" <Scirocco@t-online.de>
>To: "Mash" <type53@yahoo.com>, <jason@scirocco.org>
>CC: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: Re: [Re: Differences between 8v and 16v] [Intake on the wrong
>side]
>Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 16:15:34 +0200
>
>European Scirocco 16V :
>
>The Scirocco 16V always had the intake on the driver side
>until its very end in 1992.
>There are no exceptions.
>
>the 50mm intakes were only sold on SOME
>KR-engines from 1986 to 1988.
>Most of the KR engines ( and all 1985 ones )
>came with the small 40mm intake.
>The 50mm manifold was introduced by VW in1986 because they had problems
>to reach the claimed 139HP with the small manifold.
>There was a strong public ( motor press ) interest in that topic
>VW was blamed to cheat the customers with wrong figures
>and they had to react. So they introduced the 50mm manifold.
>
>When catalytic converters became mandatory in Germany in the late 80's
>VW had to change the cams of the 16V to a more moderate version
>to protect the cat from getting too much unburned fuel .
>That is the main difference from the PL to the earlier KR engine.
>Due to the more moderate intake cam, the 50mm intake was
>rather useless and even had a loss of torque at lower RPM.
>So it was replaced again by the smaller 40mm intake.
>The max. HP figure of the PL engine was corrected down from 139 PS to 129
>PS then.
>
>Conclusion : when using a 50mm intake on a PL engine,
>it's strongly recommended to change the intake cam
>to at least a KR timing version.
>
>1) ALL Sciroccos with catalytic converter came with the PL engine here.
>2) ALL Sciroccos with PL engine had the small 40mm manifold.
>
>for this reason, the 50mm intakes are also a rare and wanted item
>in Germany ...
>
>
>
>Greets
>Dirk
>16V KR ;-))
>
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: "Mash" <type53@yahoo.com>
>An: <dirk@scirocco2.de>
>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. September 2001 15:49
>Betreff: Re: [Re: Differences between 8v and 16v] [Intake on the wrong
>side]
>
>
>Dirk,
>
>Did VW move the intake to the other side on any
>Sciroccos?
>
>Mark
>--- Mash <type53@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --- 16V Jason <jason@scirocco.org> wrote:
> > > At 10:26 AM 9/5/2001 , Mash wrote:
> > > > > And more trivia, I saw a REAL (Canadian) 89 at
> > a
> > > car
> > > > > show and the throttle
> > > > > body was on the wrong side, golf style.
> > > >
> > > >uh huh . . .
> > > >
> > > >" It was > factory, not a drop in engine."
> > > >
> > > >This I do not believe. Sciroccos continued in
> > > >production until late 1992. 1989 was not even
> > close
> > > to
> > > >the end run . . .
> > >
> > > Very coincidentally I was just on the phone with
> > The
> > > Mad Bastard and he saw
> > > an 89 with the same deal -- intake on the
> > passenger
> > > side. I forwarded the
> > > thread to make sure that he sees it...
> > >
> > > But he pointed out one very important thing -- the
> > > 16V Scirocco did stay in
> > > production in Europe until 92, but the intake used
> > > in those cars was the
> > > 50mm intake
> >
> > AFAIK, the 50mm intake was used only on the KR code
> > motors (139hp), which ceased production on the
> > 1980s.
> >
> > The 16V Sciroccos sold in Europe in the 1990s were
> > code PL and were rated 129hp - they had 42 mm
> > intakes.
> >
> > Dirk will correct me if I'm wrong :-)
> >
> > Dirk owns a 1992 Scirocco, so he can comment better
> > than I.
> >
> > -- which couldn't be used in North
> > > America. So it does make
> > > total sense that VW was using "leftover parts"
> > from
> > > the A2 cars, since the
> > > only 42mm intakes that they had were
> > > passenger-style.
> >
> > This is not the case.
> >
> > This story is weird. Weird enough to make me wonder
> > .
> > . .
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Mark Peele
> > 1985 Scirocco, 1982 Scirocco, 1981 Scirocco, 1978
> > Scirocco, 1987 Golf GT
> > http://www.scirocco2.de/mark.htm
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> > Need parts? try http://www.parts4vws.com/
> > (Potterman)
> > or http://www.germanautoparts.com/ (Adirondack)
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