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RE: Badger 5 t-bodies

To: "Cheapass Ron" <rapieper@yahoo.com>,"Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@home.com>,"Lauri Pettai" <lauri.pettai@netexpress.ee>
Subject: RE: Badger 5 t-bodies
From: "16volt" <scirocco16v@scirocco16v.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:26:13 -0700
Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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Check my page and in the 16V gallery I have a ton of t-body pics. There is
also a pic of a badger car running a custom radiator.

I think you will find that the air coming through that radiator at speed is
not all that hot. For all intensive purposes all you folks running swiss
cheesed airboxes are getting the same if not hotter air. Theres an article
in EC discussing this and all the cool air in the world means very little in
an un-boosted car on the road.

In order for the temp drop across the t-bodies to make an appreciable
difference in power your going to need a drop in excess of 25 degrees. For
this you will need an intercooler.

The does not apply to heat soak at low speeds and there is nothing you can
do for this. Even if you did have it ducted straight to the grill the oven
which you engine bay is at low speeds is gonna cook that air anyway. Hell,
my Piper Airbox heat soaks horribly in traffic.

Your best bet would be to run a Spal slim line dual fan setup. This at least
lessons the funnel effect of the stock fan setup. It allows for a more
consistent temp across the face of the radiator. Not to mention you get to
dump the boat anchor factory shroud.

Or just run a ducted setup as you can see on some cars on my page. The only
problem with this in my mind is that you are changing the air velocity
around. Carbs dont care about this other than for atomization. But if memory
serves me correctly those horns on the TBs are tuned by their length and the
venturi effect varies with different lengths. If you force air in there I
would imagine those values would change.

my .02

Shannon
www.scirocco16v.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
[mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Cheapass Ron
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 12:00 PM
To: Scott F. Williams; Cheapass Ron; Lauri Pettai
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: Badger 5 t-bodies


Well, it'd be over the tranny, but farther removed than the factory
piece is.

My other brainstorm is something behind the front fenderwell...

Ron


--- "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@home.com> wrote:
> Ya, but running the duct from the fresh air area would necessitate
> running a
> duct over the hot engine. I fear that it would get heat soaked and
> negate
> the gains. It would also add a goofy-looking apparatus cluttering up
> the
> engine bay. -not at all important from a racing point of view, but
> not quite
> what this guy is looking for on the street.
>
> My two ideas are to install a shorter/wider radiator (i.e. compared
> to my 8v
> rad. Roughly 16v width but 2" shorter...), or to section the radiator
> support to move the stock unit down the same distance. I'm not sure
> which is
> more work but I'd probably go with the custom rad setup...
>
> Hmmm...
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Cheapass Ron
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:24 AM
> > To: Lauri Pettai; Scott F. Williams
> > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: RE: Badger 5 t-bodies
> >
> >
> > Has anyone investigated obtaining cold intake air from the fresh
> air
> > area (by the firewall)?  The intake from the airbox would be ducted
> > back to the "tray", a port would be added easily enough, water
> drainage
> > is already done...if one would want to add some external ducting,
> it
> > could be in the form of a little scoop over the existing vents in
> the
> > hood...
> >
> > Worth considering?
> >
> > Ron
> > --- Lauri Pettai <lauri.pettai@netexpress.ee> wrote:
> > > I've been wondering, is there a possibility to rebuild the
> > > front end of the Scirocco so that you can unscrew it if you
> > > like? Like you can do it with golfs. Then I'd do it so that
> > > I'd put the radiator a bit lower to make the room for the
> > > cool air intake. Lot of custom building, but it might be
> > > worth it?
> > >
> > > Hood scoop thingie is not going to work as the place where
> > > you'd have to put the scoop has actually vacuum in there.
> > > So no air is going to go in from there. Only out.
> > >
> > > Lauri!
> > > '84 2.0 16v Scirocco GTX Kamei X1 Bodykit (VIN025736)
> > > http://www.eabc.edu.ee/~laurts/scirocco
> > > I finally added something new to my site!
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Scott F.
> > > Williams
> > > > Sent: 04. september 2001. a. 22:54
> > > > To: Lauri Pettai
> > > > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > Subject: RE: Badger 5 t-bodies
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As some may know, I have considered and researched these
> throttle
> > > bodies for
> > > > my own car. I absolutely do not want install a scoop in my
> hood.
> > > So, I'm
> > > > looking into costs for a custom-built rad that is shorter and
> wider
> > > -thus
> > > > allowing cool air to flow in through the grill. Or, perhaps
> there
> > > is a stock
> > > > fitment for another car that'll do the trick. I'll follow up
> with
> > > some
> > > > details later.
> > > > ______________________________
> > > > Scott F. Williams
> > > > Account Manager
> > > > GENUiTY - Eastern Region
> > > > 100 Wall Street, 10th Floor
> > > > New York, NY 10005
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> > > > Cell: 917.648.2256
> > > > Fax: 212.618.5160
> > > > scott.williams@genuity.com
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > > [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of T Berk
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 4:29 PM
> > > > > To: Lauri Pettai
> > > > > Cc: Victor Farren; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: Badger 5 t-bodies
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lauri Pettai wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok the manufacturer of the TB's went the easy way and
> drilled a
> > > > > hole to the
> > > > > > 4th runner and tapped the vacuum line there and that's it.
> I'm
> > > > > a bit afraid
> > > > > > to do
> > > > > > this as it would make the cyl's to work uneqally and on
> racing
> > > > > conditions
> > > > > > with lot of sudden and strong breaking etc. it could melt
> your
> > > > > pistons. :(
> > > > > > I already worr about my engine as two cylinders get the hot
> air
> > > > > trough the
> > > > > > radiator and two cylinders get the cool air directly from
> > > > > grill. And already
> > > > > > that's
> > > > > > not good. So lots of work to do still. I'm wondering is
> there
> > > > > any radiators
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > are long and not very high so that I could use the upper
> part
> > > > > of the grill
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > feed cool air to throttlebodies and lower to cool the
> water?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The 1st thing I thought was a hood scoop to feed cool outside
> > > air. Put a
> > > > > screen across it to keep large chunks out and away you go.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks cool with those trumpets on there; one of the things I
> > > don't like
> > > > > about the cross flow motors is the intake runners across the
> top
> > > of the
> > > > > head. Makes later model engines too tall for Sciroccos.
> > > > >
> > > > > TBerk
> > > > >
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> >
> > =====
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