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Re: [OT] "If you're not passing traffic...then you ARE traffic"





> 
> On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 21:22:10 -0400 Marc Getty <marc@getty.net> writes:
> 
> >I don't think that I am not "beyond driving" in any way. If you make an
> ass out
> >of yourself, do not take subtle hints, and later obvious hints, that you
> are not
> >welcome or your driving is not acceptable, back off, move on, or prepare
> to face
> >the consequences.
> 
> 
> Sorry dude, you've lost me there. I wasn't at Cincy (although many
> thought I was.) so I don't know what happened in regards to anything. Im
> not sure i fully understand what "driving like an ass" is? Is it one
> single type of action or is there a full category?
> 
> 
> >Many, many a car has been an ass to me, unlike most people, I often
> choose to
> >try and teach them the error of their ways.
> 
> 
> I find (or, over the years, I have found...) that although the concept of
> teaching one a lesson, the lesson taught often goes unlearned and the
> only thing that gets to the driver whom was being an ass, thinks your a
> big fat jerk for no reason and remains clueless to their doings. So, now
> I don't try to do any teaching I just get past them and go on. Even when
> I was master of the red and blues and could stop people and face to face
> tell them what a waste of my air they were , they often still did not and
> could not learn from it. 
> Pity. 
> 
> 
> > If this involves e-braking in front
> >of them, or smoking them to get them to change their way of driving
> (around me
> >or in general), so be it. 
> 
> 
> 
> This is dangerous. Not because the dope behind you could wreck, but as
> you have already witnessed, he/she could easily cause an accident with
> some poor sap who is now stuck behind them. That wouldn't be cool, would
> it? 
> 
> 
> 
> >Once they move on, or off, or just plain away, I
> >continue on with my life and my driving. Road rage this is not, my
> actions are
> >calculated and are 100% under my control. If I am not able to control my
> actions
> >I back off immediately.
> 
> 
> 
> Careful, it could be taken as road rage. It totally depends on the
> situation. I understand where your comming from, as do im sure, anyone
> who has ever driven on public roads. Although your actions are
> conceivably 100% under your control, what happens behind you as a
> reaction to your "under control actions" could lead to some reactions
> that end up as "out of control people" doing some out of control crashing
> and possibly injuries. I know you don't want that, do you?
> As a racing instructor, I hear some people tell me how good of a driver
> they are and I sit there and watch them do classically wrong things as a
> driver. What's good for the track is really good for the street, the only
> difference is speeds. Oddly enough, cooperation on the race track is 100
> times higher than on the average street. How ironic! 
> 
> 
> 
> >Unfortunately I am never in the control of others actions, and am not
> always
> >able to predict the actions and reactions of others perfectly. A classic
> example
> >of this is when Jan noted "I'll cause the people that I'm caravaning
> with to run
> >into the woods at 90MPH". This is one example of an unfortunate downside
> to one
> >of my actions. If the Honda being an ass in Ohio drove off the road and
> into an
> >embankment I would not even bat an eye, but my actions caused two VWs to
> swerve
> >and this is the unfortunate result of one of my actions.
> 
> 
> 
> This is a great example of what I was saying above. Just know that if you
> do something like this and somebody gets hurt, you could be held liable.
> I don't want that to happen no more than you do. Just tone it down a
> notch, use the finger alot more and go on with it, yes?
> 
> 
> 
> >Rules, laws, sins, and morals are all subjective and 
> >I don't believe in any of them. 
> 
> 
> Interesting comment.
> Heres my take. Rules and laws are guidelines. 
> Sins? We wont go there, doesn't apply here to this discussion. 
> Morals, well, its subjective indeed. Might be a mixture of guidelines and
> what you believe, blended over ice. 
> 
> 
> 
> >In this world there are just two things: actions and consequences. This
> is
> >the way I live my life and the way that I drive my car.
> 
> 
> Ill ask you this.
> Do you believe that everybody should follow the basic rules of the road?
> Should everybody follow every rule written?
> Should we be allowed to pick and choose rules as we see fit?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >No, I did not say that, nor did I infer that in any way. It was a
> comparison
> >between two ends of the spectrum, me and a hypothetical trailer queen.
> 
> 
> I didn't mean that you did infer, just wanted to better understand what
> you were saying. 
> 
> 
> >I have
> >run into "people/animals/unmovable objects" & other vehicles both on 
> >purpose a
> >number of times, and by accident a number of times. Each of these 
> >incidents have
> >a story, all of these stories build on the character of the driver and 
> >of the
> >car.
> 
> 
> The only problems with that is, the car can only take so much of a
> beating. ya know? Im not trying to tell you how to treat your car, its
> YOUR CAR, drive it how you see fit. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Getting all bent out of shape or "pissed" over a dent is completely 
> >wrong in my opinion. A dent is a dent, a dent is not the end of the
> world. 
> 
> 
> Its not the end of the world. Im not bent over it, just irritated
> everytime I look at it. As someone who has spent ALOT of money on my car
> to fix it up, make it better ect, it is taken personally when its only
> been 6 months after its fresh paint job only to have a big honkin dent in
> the fender. wouldn't YOU be pissed? Well, no, I know you wouldn't because
> you take dents as war stories. That's you tho. 
> 
> 
> 
> >It's not even
> >enough to call someone a "fuck" or get "pissed" at. Take a look at the 
> >big dent
> >on the drivers side front of my Jetta <http://getty.net/jetta/>. I hit 
> >a tree
> >and it made that dent. Am I a "fuck" for doing this?
> 
> 
> I dunno, are ya? Again, its your car, do what ya like. if you came out of
> work and found that dent, how would you feel about it then? 
> 
> 
> >If you don't know *ALL* of the facts surrounding the situation, you 
> >should not judge.  -snip- Now has your option
> >changed knowing some more facts about the situation? I bet it has.
> 
> 
> No. I had no opinion of it before. Just trying to understand peoples
> comments is all. Im just collecting info. 
> 
> 
> 
> >I don't know, and just for a hypothetical I'm going to go out on a limb
> and
> >assume you don't know, *ALL* of the facts as to why that guy/gal
> "couldn't back
> >out from a parking spot". Would he still be a "fuck" if he was rushing
> to the
> >hospital for him/herself or their spouse, or their children? I would not
> call
> >him a fuck even if you told me that he/she eats children, because I
> don't know
> >anything about this person other then they hit your car and that they
> eat
> >children.
> 
> 
> I know nothing of who damaged my car. This is where the irritation comes
> from. No note, nothing. I had a $1400 paint job with a fresh dent and I
> wasn't happy. Now that its chipped, flaking, peeling, I don't care much
> about the paint but knowing i will have to fix the fender is a thorn in
> my side. Im sure you don't care about the cosmetics of your car but I do
> care about all of mine. They don't have to be perfect, just nice. Is that
> too much to ask for? Is that unreasonable from anyone?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >That's your opinion, feel free to keep it. 
> 
> 
> heh, if you don't know me by now, I post my opinions, like em or not. 
> 
> 
> 
> >I do not know anyone by name on the list who is a trailer queen. At no 
> >point did I call anyone a trailer queen, especially not Jan!
> 
> 
> 
> OK. It looked as though this is what you were inferring. Clarification is
> a good thing. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Very well put Shawn, this shows that you are clearly not interested in
> starting
> >a flame war (neither am I). Hope my comments clarify what I have noted
> >previously.
> 
> 
> Im a really busy person. I don't have MUCH spare time in between all the
> cars, racing, family crap that I do. I definitely don't have any time for
> a flame war. (although I will MAKE time to get TMB all hot and bothered!)
> So, when I see something on the list that interests me, I reply. I am
> very opinionated, ask anyone. :)
> I am interested in (even heated ones are fine) having discussions on
> things I don't understand or agree with. 
> 
> 
> 
> Shawn Méze
> 86' Jetta GLi 8V       84' Scirocco 8V           88' Corvette -SS 30-
> 82' Scirocco GTi -FSP 54-     79' "Project FSP Scirocco"
> The Fastest, Quickest, Cleanest and best looking Scirocco in all of San
> Diego!
> http://www.Geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1308/index.htm
> 
> 

---i think the both/whatever number of you need to go take a 5 minute timeout in the corner.  Don't you back talk me!  Don't make me take this belt off and whalllop ya!!  seriously, its jsut a fucking car.  As long as nobod gets hurt, and nobody dies, everything is repairable.  Oh, and have you heard of auto insurance?  Sure, teh deductable is a bitch, but seriously, eventually you can for up another 1400 dolalrs for a new paint job, and if it comes down to it, get a new fender from JC whitney or Parts Place For All VW's.  No, you cant leave timeout yet, and jsut for trying to leave, not only do you have to stay for another ten minutes, but you're grounded!!  Take some time tog et things in perspective---
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