RE: Scirocco.org a club? WTF

[Brian McGarvey <brianm@zbt62.eastnet.gatech.edu>]

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Shannon Fenton wrote:

> What the f__k are you all talking about!! Im just catching the tail end of
> this thread so I may be ignorant but membership dues?! We went through this
> when we went around with the Rennsport dingbats....we ALREADY ARE A CLUB. I
> dont need to pay anyone, buy a damn coffee cup, buy a cup holder or wear a
> t-shirt to prove it. Come on people use your heads...if it isnt broke dont
> fix it.
>
> I didnt mind chipping in for the website, and if we need to move it or
> something fine...whats the bill. We can all chip in. But dues..come on.
>
> Its bad enough that there are people on the list that cant act like adults.
> Now we must babysit them as well and create rules of conduct.
>
> Ive seen the next level of most clubs and its ugly. Bahh..whatever...ive got
> a www.scirocco16v.com meeting tonight at petes pizza. Were always accepting
> new members.
WHere? :-) im in GA.

>
> What the hell has happened to this list....

Whoop Whoop Whoop Go Get em Girl!.
I agree. Dunno how this thread got started. DId this come out of a need
for the listowner /website owner needing more bandwidth or storage
space?


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>
>
> Shannon Fenton
> www.scirocco16v.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Ben Rogowski
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 4:17 PM
> To: Scirocco List
> Subject: Re: Scirocco.org a club? [long]
>
>
> As far as transforming the list into an organized club, I am against it.
> I'm the membership coordinator and newsletter editor of a club here in
> Minneapolis called Volksport.  Check it out at www.volksport.com  We've
> actually got a few members besides myself on this list.  Running a club
> takes a lot of time and dedication, from quite a few people.  Some of the
> time it's a downright pain in the ass.  I do love my club, (both my clubs i
> should say; I'd be nowhere without the Scirocco List) but our mailing
> list/internet club has most of the benefits, with much less effort.  At
> least from my point of view, as i don't have to run the site at all.  It's
> great to have local gatherings of members, and we should probably do some
> 'List gatherings here in the upper midwest.  The fact is Scirocco.org
> doesn't have to deal with the issues like membership management, a bank
> account, insurance fees, mandatory monthly meetings for those who run the
> club, etc.  We've actually been trying to streamline our club so that we're
> more internet oriented, like Scirocco.org.  I guess what I have to ask is
> why ruin a good thing?
>
> Ben R
> '79 Scirocco 1.8 16v, Coilovers go in tonight!!
> '86.5 Quantum Syncro Wagon
> '00 Suzuki SV 650
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Rogowski" <bgr13@mn.rr.com>
> To: "Ben Rogowski" <bgr13@mn.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:28 AM
> Subject: Fw: Scirocco.org a club? [long]
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Neal Tovsen" <sixteen.volt@gte.net>
> > To: "Brad Sterling" <bgsterling@earthlink.net>; "Scirocco List"
> > <scirocco-L@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 11:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: Scirocco.org a club? [long]
> >
> >
> > > Comments inline:
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Brad Sterling [mailto:bgsterling@earthlink.net]
> > > > Neal, you ignorant slut (showing my age with that reference).
> > >
> > > While technically true, I WAS hoping to keep it a secret. ;)
> > >
> > > ----Big 'ol huge SNIP----
> > >
> > > > My point:  new car sales help, but aren't a necessity.
> > >
> > > More-or-less what I said, I think. I completely agree.
> > >
> > >
> > > > For that matter, I'd argue that many of the new Impreza drivers are
> > caught
> > > > up in the next big thing and you'll see an increase in membership
> > followed
> > > > by a downturn when the Subie falls out of trend.
> > >
> > > I'm with you here. The Impreza has certain features which has started to
> > > attract a peculiar type of enthusiast. While I don't think they
> represent
> > > the majority of Subaru enthusiasts, they do tend to be less brand-loyal
> > when
> > > another car (one with a bigger wing, usually) comes out. These are the
> > > people who will leave after the fad is gone.
> > >
> > >
> > > > As for Manufacturer/Dealer/Industry support, I think the key word here
> > is
> > > > Industry. Now I'm sure Mark and Mike are
> > > > not hurting for business with all of the VWs on the road, but just as
> > this
> > > > list supports them, I would bet they'd want to support a group that
> > helps
> > > > them.  It's kind of a sinking-ship, we're-all-in-this-together
> > > > relationship.
> > >
> > > Yes, I believe that is what they're doing now. And a damn fine job,
> IMHO.
> > >
> > >
> > > > My long-winded point is that a club
> > > > doesn't have to
> > > > be as grand as what you're used to.
> > > ---snip---
> > > > Instead of a newsletter, perhaps we could work
> > > > on a good
> > > > list of FAQs (starting with our current one of course) that can be
> > emailed
> > > > to everyone as they join the list and also posted once a month
> > > > (kind of like
> > > > a monthly newsletter).
> > >
> > > Sounds like what we do already, except perhaps better
> > maintained/organized.
> > > We've been working on being better organized for years, but everyone
> > > (especially myself!) is guilty of being "too busy". A little
> > self-dicipline
> > > on everyone's part would do wonders for this one.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'd even be willing to help compile this list of
> > > > tire/wheel sizes, tune-up specs, sway bar options, oil in the air
> filter
> > > > solutions, etc.
> > >
> > > That's what everyone says, including me. Sadly, except for a very recent
> > > spurt of activity, our Website hasn't changed dramatically in the 3+
> years
> > > I've been on the list. This has been true of most clubs I've been in.
> > People
> > > want all the benes, but when it comes time to CONTRIBUTE, "ah...I just
> > don't
> > > have time". Guilty as charged.
> > >
> > >
> > > > My last point, regarding dues, would be they have some merit.  We
> > > > could set
> > > > up some cheap dues (so as not to make Ron leave) and promise a T-shirt
> > or
> > > > specially molded, Scirocco cup that fits behind the e-brake.
> > >
> > > Cup holders? You must have read my mind! (or my earlier post...) Where
> do
> > I
> > > send the money??
> > >
> > >
> > > > This will keep
> > > > out the timid or flame-war-starters (what was that dude's name),
> > > > pay for the
> > > > website hosting fees, and get us some club merchandise.  Hell,
> > > > many on this
> > > > list have said they're willing to pay $15-$25 for a hat or t-shirt.
> It
> > > > would be like buying a hat or t-shirt and getting the membership for
> > free.
> > > > If Adirondak and Virtual parts give a small discount to members, the
> > > > membership pays for itself the first time you buy motor mounts or a
> sway
> > > > bar.  The downside, we'd have to get a President, Treasurer, etc. and
> > > > incorporate.
> > >
> > > Again, sounds like what we're doing. We've got free hosting (thanks
> > > Christopher!!!!), Brett is the only one who really has put lots of sweat
> > > equity into the Web site, and Mark/Mike already give us discounts. For
> our
> > > $15-$25, we can call up Wassersport and get a t-shirt, and several times
> a
> > > year we can all wear them together at places like Cincy, ND, and
> > Waterfest.
> > > Where's the big win?
> > >
> > > /MY/ long-winded point, you crotchety old coot (ha! backattcha!), is
> that
> > I
> > > think it would be really cool to do all this stuff, but I'm still trying
> > to
> > > reconcile it all in my head. Scirocco.org kicks ass, and it is cool to
> say
> > > that we don't have dues or centralized leadership but we still have
> > > gatherings and club discounts with a few vendors. For the amount of work
> > we
> > > collectively put into this club, we get a lot of cool benefits! I'm
> still
> > > not sure we'd really be getting something more than the awesome
> phenomena
> > we
> > > already have. Would it make us more of a tight-knit group? Would we all
> > get
> > > along better? Would we have more/better gatherings? Would we save LOTS
> of
> > > money from vendors? Would we all get rich? My gut reaction to each these
> > is
> > > either a solid "NO", or a "well...I suppose it'd be a little better than
> > it
> > > is now". There's a lot of effort involved in running a "serious" club,
> and
> > > I'm not sure that the payoff is so huge.
> > >
> > > PLEASE realize that I'm playing Devil's Advocate more than anything.
> I've
> > > already pledged my support to anyone who's willing to give it a go.
> > >
> > > SO...
> > > Step up, Mr. President!
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > >
> > >
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