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Re: TECH: 16V Oil cooler



Sorry for the confusion: DOPS == Dynamic Oil Pressure (Warning) System. It uses a 0.3 Bar and 1.8 Bar sender to monitor oil pressure under different performance modes, hand off from low to high oil pressure is supposed to take place at ~2000 rpm. I asked about this because I don't think I ever had the engine over 2000 rpm this morning and was curious what would have triggered the buzzer as I shut the empty motor off.
 
I know these switches are known weak links for oil leaks, but they were both replaced for new when I rebuilt her last year. I hope they don't fail at that high a frequency, that would seem a perpetual warranty nightmare and recall-able issue if pursued through NHSTA.
 
I was not able to pinpoint the source of the leak when I first encountered it last week, but I guessed at the oil cooler o-ring because I believe in all my excitement to put the car back on the road last year, I forgot to replace that with new as part of the rebuild. Seemed a reasonable guess, based on where the oil dripped (center of oilpan and lower timing belt cover). After this mornings outpouring, I believe that is the only likely candidate to cause such a fast evacuation of the oil pan - it is right after the oil pump so pressure is very high.
 
Cheers,
 
Christian
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: TECH: 16V Oil cooler

Perhaps I'm ignorant about what you're asking (I'm not sure what a DOPS circuit is), but I think the two senders on top of your oil filter flange are both involved in the warning circuit. One's a low-pressure sender, and the other is a high-pressure sender. I don't know the details, but the circuit seems to switch to the high-pressure sender when the low-pressure one goes out of range. If one sender is bad or sticky, the light/buzzer may only come for brief periods of specific engine loads while the engine is "between senders". My '87 had this problem, and when I replaced them both, it went away. YMMV, of course. If you're lucky, your Perpetual Oil Change system is entirely due to the o-ring...
 
I can also relate to the oil spillage issue. After she did the first oil change on our brand new Subaru, my girlfriend didn't notice that the gasket from the old filter got stuck on the flange (to her credit, I probably wouldn't have noticed either...). We drove for about three days before the double-gasket suddenly blew out one morning after we backed out of the driveway. We got about a mile down the road before the oil hit the exhaust manifold and started smoking (flat-four: the exhaust hangs off the bottom of the engine). It's been over a year, and the huge streak on the road in front of our house is finally almost gone! You could follow it very clearly down the street, out the neighborhood, down the road...getting narrower as it ran out of oil. It took numerous attempts with Simple Green to get the undercarriage of the car clean. Luckily, there seems to be no apparent damage to the engine.
 
Neal
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Christian Els
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:33 PM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: TECH: 16V Oil cooler

After running Windy (my Scirocco) with the Perpetual Oil Changeâ system enabled for the last week or so while my spoiled ass waited for warmer weather, the oil cooler o-ring finally decided it wasn't happy being cold and disintegrated entirely when I started the car this morning.
 
Pretty amazing how much oil came out in such a short period of time - I started the car and drove maybe 20 feet when the oil light started flashing (no buzzer). I looked in the mirror to check traffic behind me and noticed a nice thick stripe following me, turned the car off just as the buzzer came on too. About 3.95 quarts in 20 feet make a pretty ugly adornment for pavement. Also makes it pretty easy to pinpoint the offending vehicle :(
 
At any rate, I don't think I hurt the engine as I got it shut down pretty quickly. Now I just have to drive the pickem'up until I can't stand it or we catch a warm spell since the Cabby is disassembled in the garage...
 
When I do go to tackle this, what size is the nut under the oil filter that holds the oil cooler in place? IIRC, it is pretty large and I don't think I have an open-end bigger than 24mm. I'd rather have the right tools before I get started, so thanks for your help.
 
Also, which sender controls the blinking light and which triggers the buzzer, or are they both handled through the DOPS circuit?
 
Thanks again.
 
Cheers,
 
Christian
87 16V