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Re: Don't buy GAS {slightly rocco related}
According to todays Financial Times (14th April) Unleaded Gasoline is being traded on the world markets at 52.25cents a US gallon or $161-165 a tonne and Crude Oil (NYMEX) at $16.72 a
barrel (Don't know how many gallons to barrel).
95Ron unleaded at the pump is approx 71p ($1.13) a litre and 98Ron is 84p ($1.34) a litre in the UK giving imperial gallon prices (dont know the conversion to US gallons) of roughly
$5.13 and $6.08 respectively.
Spare a thought for me as my Rocco requires 98Ron super unleaded to run properly unless i wish to spend between Ł250-Ł500($400-$800) on a proper conversion to run 95Ron (without losing
30-40hp)
The average cost of filling my tank is Ł35 ($56) of which between 80-85% goes to taxman.
Perhaps we should all have electric vehicles but where does the power for these come from. Power Stations is your answer but i reckon they use as much fossil fuel and pollute by volume
of fuel used just as much as the car but enviromentalists never seem to mention this. What about public transport but the same propulsion problems are there so the answer has to be
increasing effcient propulsion systems (such as the 100mpg engine that VW and others are working on).However until there are viable, reliable and easy alternatives that go from your door
to your destination in comfort, safety and quickly whenever you want which also guarantee you a seat, allow you to listen to your own music (at whatever volume), have personal
heating/cooling controls and importantly to me allow me to have a cigarette the car will dominate.
At the end of the day we're a captive market because without gas we ain't going anywhere fast.
Andy
Mark Mages wrote:
> Yeah - and let's start dumping toxic waste in the
> water just to piss them off!
>
> You know that's why they put flouride in the water
> supply don't you? It decreases personal willpower.
>
> Seriously tho, you don't think that a 70 year old
> technology could stand some revamping? How many steam
> locomotives do you still see running around? I mean,
> for the last 15 years we have known that our pollution
> was REALLY screwing up the planet yet what have we
> done to try and cut that down? We have started the
> SUV craze.
>
> You don't think urban growth has been adversely
> affected? I have to spend 30 minutes driving 5 miles
> in to work in the morning. The inner-cities have
> become unsafe places to live because as soon as people
> could afford cars they moved into the suburbs, leaving
> the cities to rot from the inside out.
>
> You don't think air-quality has been affected? The
> last time I saw a sun-set that wasn;t brown I had to
> drive over 1000 miles to get there. Oh, but let's all
> blame the smokers for the massive increase in lung
> cancer rates... it couldn't be our cars causing that!
> It must be the person that was smoking 10ft away from
> me in the bar...
>
> God forbid people start riding bicycles to work - what
> are they thinking using the most cost & energy
> efficient form of transportation available today?
> I'll just run them down & then say that they jumped in
> front of my car.. .and I'll win.
>
> And those damn recycled products... Hey - we should
> just start dumping all our trash in the national
> parks.. I mean, what a waste of land - just set aside
> for people to enjoy when they want to escape the
> hell-holes that we have created to live in. Christ,
> that's prime dumping ground if you ask me! We shoud
> strip mine it all before we start duming though, so we
> have enough raw materials to last us another 10 years.
>
> I mean, I know this is a car-oriented group (90% of
> the time) but you, I must say, at the risk of being
> thoroughly flamed, are totally nuts.
>
> Mark
> 87 Westy
> 84 8v Rocco
> 98 Rockhopper
>
> Damn liberal bastards... I'm gonna go fry me up a
> spotted owl for dinner... extra crispy
>
> --- McReynolds <sigmac@portland.quik.com> wrote:
> > Colleagues of your "anti-car bastards" are doing
> > their best here, too.
> > They cry about how the automobile has ruined
> > landscapes and cityscapes, how
> > the evil auto has adversely affected urban growth in
> > America and lessened
> > air quality. They seem to forget how much the
> > automobile has increased our
> > productivity in the last 70 years, opened so many
> > doors of opportunity for
> > us, as well as contributed to our sense of
> > independence, which we have
> > treasured so much in the US. But here lies the very
> > root of the issue:
> > socialistic, environmentalist policy-makers do not
> > wish to see our
> > independence continue to flourish. They'd rather
> > see us huddled together
> > in our quaint, well-planned cities, accepting what
> > is handed us, getting
> > about on our bicycles, and using more costly
> > "recycled" products. In
> > short, a society of people much easier to contain,
> > in the end.
> >
> > So, I cringe when I hear folks making statements
> > about how petroleum
> > product prices should be raised to lessen their use.
> > My face turns red
> > with anger when I hear liberal statements about
> > marketing electric cars,
> > mandating even stricter emissions' controls or
> > improving suburban transit
> > (i.e., making it the only practical mode of
> > transportation). There are
> > some who would make us feel bad for using any
> > resources whatsoever.
> > Resources were put here for us to use, albeit
> > wisely. We should not be
> > made to feel guilty about it, nor should their use
> > be restricted to the
> > point where none of us benefits from them. So what
> > is next? If we are not
> > considering only what is good for the environment,
> > will we be the black
> > sheep? And later, will we be made to feel bad about
> > our very independence?
> >
> >
> > Well, I won't. This whole discussion makes me want
> > to get into my car, and
> > go for a drive. I want to feel the wind in my hair,
> > the pulsing of pistons
> > at my breast, and watch the scenery wash by me as if
> > time has stood still
> > and I'm the only thing going forward.
> >
> > That is a freedom only a driver can know, a freedom
> > incarnate. Quite
> > simply put: I don't have to be here. I can be
> > there, if I want to. Let
> > us strive to keep it this way.
> >
> > Jennifer
> > '79 Scirocco
> > '71 Plymouth Satellite
> > sigmacenterprises@bigfoot.com
> >
> > ----------
> > | From: Jonathan Miles <jem@clara.co.uk>
> > | To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > | Subject: Re: Fw: April 30 - Don't buy GAS - the
> > Local Angle
> > | Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:49 AM
> > |
> > | Just to put these prices into perspective. Here in
> > the UK we pay about 80
> > | pence per litre for Super Unleaded. We're moving
> > towards a quid a Litre
> > for
> > | Christ's sake!!!
> > | Don't know what that is in $ per Gallon but it's a
> > lot. 80% of this is
> > tax
> > | imposed by the anti-car bastards that we have in
> > government here.
> > |
> > | Jonathan
> > | '90 Scirocco GTII
> > |
> > | -----Original Message-----
> > | From: T Berk <tberk@mindspring.com>
> > | To: Michael Friesen <mfriesen@sympatico.ca>
> > | Cc: Scirocco List <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > | Date: 13 April 1999 08:08
> > | Subject: Re: Fw: April 30 - Don't buy GAS - the
> > Local Angle
> > |
> > |
> > | >
> > | >
> > | >This whole thing is based on a guy here in the SF
> > Bay Area. We just
> > | >went from about $1.35-$1.50 for Super Unleaded to
> > $1.99 in about 2
> > | >days. You know they'd just love to break the
> > US$2.00 barrier but each
> > | >of the players are afraid to be the 1st one to do
> > so.
> > | >
> > | >Sticker shock has people b*tchen about how it's
> > just speculators and the
> > | >Oil Companies who are artificially raising the
> > price in order to gouge
> > | >the public. The blame has been explained away as
> > two recent refinery
> > | >accidents that have cut production, OPEC at play
> > again, and the
> > | >alignment of the planets. Phooey.
> > | >
> > | >In a way we are a captive audience, we are going
> > to buy it anyway, maybe
> > | >less at 1st, but people around here are too
> > attached to cars and have
> > | >few viable alternatives.
> > | >
> > | >To our local credit Mass Transit is recently
> > reasserting itself with
> > | >extensions to a Light Rail system in Silicon
> > Valley, the Caltrain
> > | >commuter system that serves SF to SJ and is
> > haggling over converting
> > | >from Diesel to Electric, and car pool lanes
> > (despite people seeing them
> > | >as not as useful as they might have wanted-
> > you've got to leave your own
> > | >car at home, at least sometimes, for it to work.)
> > | >
> > | >For my part I'll be back on the Train & Bike now
> > that the weather has
> > | >Sprung again. I don't really like wearing out my
> > Scirocco stuck in rush
> > | >hour traffic anyway.
> > | >
> > | >A price increase of 33% in 48 hours was what
> > prompted this guy to send
> > | >out the email, yes we will just get a fillup on
> > Thursday before, but we
> > | >know that. The point I think is to cause a blip
> > on the screen, maybe
> > | >this could be leveraged when the rubber meets the
> > road, who knows.
> > | >
> > | >All it might serve to do is vent some
> > frustration. Might be a good
> > | >thing.
> > | >
> > | >TBerk
> > | >I was going to mention this thing earlier but
> > I've been busy pulling
> > | >shark teeth out of my butt. :P
> > | >
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> <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor="#F8E0B0"><p><font
> size=3 color="#000080" face="ZapfHumnst BT">Colleagues
> of your "anti-car bastards" are doing their
> best here, too. They cry about how the
> automobile has ruined landscapes and cityscapes, how
> the evil auto has adversely affected urban growth in
> America and lessened air quality. They seem to
> forget how much the automobile has increased our
> productivity in the last 70 years, opened so many
> doors of opportunity for us, as well as contributed to
> our sense of independence, which we have treasured so
> much in the US. But here lies the very root of
> the issue: socialistic, environmentalist
> policy-makers do not wish to see our independence
> continue to flourish. They'd rather see us
> huddled together in our quaint, well-planned cities,
> accepting what is handed us, getting about on our
> bicycles, and using more costly "recycled"
> products. In short, a society of people much
> easier to contain, in the end. <br><br>So, I
> cringe when I hear folks making statements about how
> petroleum product prices should be raised to lessen
> their use. My face turns red with anger when I
> hear liberal statements about marketing electric cars,
> mandating even stricter emissions' controls or <font
> size=3>improving suburban transit (i.e., making it the
> only practical mode of transportation)<font size=3>.
> There are some who would make us feel bad for
> using any resources whatsoever. Resources were
> put here for us to use, albeit wisely. We should
> not be made to feel guilty about it, nor should their
> use be restricted to the point where none of us
> benefits from them. So what is next? <font
> size=3>If we are not considering only what is good for
> the environment, will we be the black sheep? And
> later, w<font size=3>ill we be made to feel bad about
> our very independence? <br><br>Well, I won't.
> This whole discussion makes me want to get into
> my car, and go for a drive. I want to feel the
> wind in my hair, the pulsing of pistons at my breast,
> and watch the scenery wash by me as if time has stood
> still and I'm the only thing going forward.
> <br><br>That is a freedom only a driver can
> know, a freedom incarnate. Quite simply put:
> I don't have to be here. I can be there,
> if I want to. Let us strive to keep it this way.
> <br><br>Jennifer<br>'79 Scirocco<br>'71 Plymouth
> Satellite<br>sigmacenterprises@bigfoot.com<br><br><font
> color="#800000">----------<br>| From: Jonathan Miles
> <<font color="#FF8040"><u>jem@clara.co.uk</u><font
> color="#800000">><br>| To: <font
> color="#FF8040"><u>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</u><font
> color="#800000"><br>| Subject: Re: Fw: April 30 -
> Don't buy GAS - the Local Angle<br>| Date: Tuesday,
> April 13, 1999 11:49 AM<br>| <br>| Just to put these
> prices into perspective. Here in the UK we pay about
> 80<br>| pence per litre for Super Unleaded.
> We're moving towards a quid a Litre for<br>|
> Christ's sake!!!<br>| Don't know what that is in $ per
> Gallon but it's a lot. 80% of this is tax<br>|
> imposed by the anti-car bastards that we have in
> government here.<br>| <br>| Jonathan<br>| '90 Scirocco
> GTII<br>| <br>| -----Original Message-----<br>| From:
> T Berk <<font
> color="#FF8040"><u>tberk@mindspring.com</u><font
> color="#800000">><br>| To: Michael Friesen
> <<font
> color="#FF8040"><u>mfriesen@sympatico.ca</u><font
> color="#800000">><br>| Cc: Scirocco List <<font
> color="#FF8040"><u>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</u><font
> color="#800000">><br>| Date: 13 April 1999
> 08:08<br>| Subject: Re: Fw: April 30 - Don't buy GAS -
> the Local Angle<br>| <br>| <br>| ><br>| ><br>|
> >This whole thing is based on a guy here in the SF
> Bay Area. We just<br>| >went from about
> $1.35-$1.50 for Super Unleaded to $1.99 in about
> 2<br>| >days. You know they'd just love to
> break the US$2.00 barrier but each<br>| >of the
> players are afraid to be the 1st one to do so.<br>|
> ><br>| >Sticker shock has people b*tchen about
> how it's just speculators and the<br>| >Oil
> Companies who are artificially raising the price in
> order to gouge<br>| >the public. The blame
> has been explained away as two recent refinery<br>|
> >accidents that have cut production, OPEC at play
> again, and the<br>| >alignment of the planets.
> Phooey.<br>| ><br>| >In a way we are a
> captive audience, we are going to buy it anyway,
> maybe<br>| >less at 1st, but people around here are
> too attached to cars and have<br>| >few viable
> alternatives.<br>| ><br>| >To our local credit
> Mass Transit is recently reasserting itself with<br>|
> >extensions to a Light Rail system in Silicon
> Valley, the Caltrain<br>| >commuter system that
> serves SF to SJ and is haggling over converting<br>|
> >from Diesel to Electric, and car pool lanes
> (despite people seeing them<br>| >as not as useful
> as they might have wanted- you've got to leave your
> own<br>| >car at home, at least sometimes, for it
> to work.)<br>| ><br>| >For my part I'll be back
> on the Train & Bike now that the weather has<br>|
> >Sprung again. I don't really like wearing out my
> Scirocco stuck in rush<br>| >hour traffic
> anyway.<br>| ><br>| >A price increase of 33% in
> 48 hours was what prompted this guy to send<br>|
> >out the email, yes we will just get a fillup on
> Thursday before, but we<br>| >know that. The point
> I think is to cause a blip on the screen, maybe<br>|
> >this could be leveraged when the rubber meets the
> road, who knows.<br>| ><br>| >All it might serve
> to do is vent some frustration. Might be a good<br>|
> >thing.<br>| ><br>| >TBerk<br>| >I was
> going to mention this thing earlier but I've been busy
> pulling<br>| >shark teeth out of my butt.
> :P<br>| ><br>| >--<br>| >To
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>
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> 84 Scirocco 8v
>
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