I got the chat back up (not that anyone was using it). It "should" work with any Java browser (netscape 3.04 and IE 4.0 tested and work on my end). If anyone has problems let me know. Etrik -- To subscribe or unsubscribe, send email to scirocco-L-request@scirocco.org, with your request (subscribe, unsubscribe) in the BODY of the message.